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    Quote Originally Posted by Myriadi View Post
    A friend studying music criticism has shown me this amusing tidbit from "A Musical Motley". It's a 1919 book by one of the most famous British critics of the 20th century, Ernest Newman. He was very critical of Satie, finding his music amateurish and gimmicky.
    That's funny. I remember the '50s edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica calling him a "genius with little talent." Erik Satie's star sure has risen since the '60s.

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    I'm very partial to Satie's whimsical minimalism. Pascal Roge, in particular, allows the music to speak for itself, avoiding the temptation to over-emote. Some recordings draw out the tempo in an attempt to accentuate the 'feeling' with the result that the lyrical flow breaks up. Yitkin Seow, in particular, seems to 'milk' Satie's music excessively. The other thing I love about Satie is that his music is often simple enough for a duffer like me to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myriadi View Post
    I'm sorry, would you say he is a well known composer? I've never heard his name in several decades of listening to CM, let alone any of his music. Certainly it's easy to find people using the word "obscure" when discussing him, e.g. here:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...k-9188413.html
    https://scroll.in/magazine/816913/th...imm-fairy-tale

    I didn't mean to offend anybody, just sharing a story about how dangerous it can be to be so sure in your predictions of the future.
    Well, well know is a broad as you want to see it, take a look at the link.

    http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/c/Humperdinck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myriadi View Post
    I'm sorry, would you say he is a well known composer? I've never heard his name in several decades of listening to CM, let alone any of his music. Certainly it's easy to find people using the word "obscure" when discussing him, e.g. here:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...k-9188413.html
    https://scroll.in/magazine/816913/th...imm-fairy-tale

    I didn't mean to offend anybody, just sharing a story about how dangerous it can be to be so sure in your predictions of the future.
    Interesting - perhaps the journalist who wrote the article in The Independent thought him obscure, but that doesn't make him so. There are many obscurer...in my opinion...I'd heard of Humperdinck long before I'd heard of, say, Steve Reich or John Adams!

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    5 Erik Alfred Leslie Satie (1866 - 1925)things.

    http://www.limelightmagazine.com.au/...rik-satie.aspx

    The two most intriguing things for me are...

    1. His slow 10K daily walk from his apartment to various Paris cafes, carrying a hammer for self defense.

    2. His first and last love interest, painter Suzanne Valadon (1865 - 1938).

    Valadon's 1893 Satie portrait, and 1927 self portrait.




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    From Alex Ross' blog:

    In my piece on Joséphin Péladan and the Salons de la Rose + Croix, I devote some space to Erik Satie's astonishing score for Péladan's mystical drama Le Fils des Étoiles, which was produced in conjunction with the first Salon in 1892. I first discovered the work as a teen-ager; I had bought a copy of the Dover compendium of Satie piano music, and became fascinated with what was described inscrutably as a "Wagnérie Kaldéenne de Sâr Péladan." I used to play the opening six-note chords at ear-splitting volume, somewhat in defiance of the instruction "En blanc et immobile." Not until I commenced work on my long-gestating book Wagnerism did I attempt to come to terms with Péladan's writing. Needless to say, there will be a sizable section on Péladan in the fourth chapter of the book, titled "Grail Temple: Mystic, Decadent, and Satanic Wagner."

    What many people don't realize about Le Fils des Étoiles — to the extent they realize anything about this still obscure score — is that the three Preludes printed in standard Satie editions are only a portion of the music that Satie wrote for the play. There is actually about an hour of music extant: one can see the complete work in a fine Bärenreiter Urtext edition.
    http://www.therestisnoise.com/2017/0...%A9toiles.html

    The complete music can be heard here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czech composer View Post
    Hello everyone!

    This is just a little selfpromotion. I´ve just recorded Satie´s Le Fils des Étoiles.
    If you like it you can check my other stuff on my youtube channel and consider subscribing.
    I would be very grateful

    Martin
    Bravo. Well done. I’ve heard performances were too much pedal is used and it becomes a muddy harmonic mess. I thought this one was perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blancrocher View Post
    From Alex Ross' blog:

    http://www.therestisnoise.com/2017/0...%A9toiles.html

    The complete music can be heard here:

    I could not have taken an hour of this pedal to the metal performance. It sounds like the pianist isn’t even hearing himself as the overly pedaled harmonies clash and turn into a muddy soup.
    "That's all Folks!"

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    Macleod asks, "So which performers do Satie lovers prefer? Pascal Roge? Reinbert De Leeuw? John McCabe?"

    1) I admire Reinbert De Leeuw's Satie. I find it daring of De Leeuw to play Satie so slowly at times. I've never heard the 2nd Gnossienne played more beautifully than by De Leeuw (or work so well), for instance. I certainly wouldn't want to be without either his 1st (1980) or 2nd digital recording of the 6 Gnossiennes (both for Philips), as they're arguably the finest in the catalogue:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlfEgxg2XVc

    Yet, De Leeuw's 3 Gymnopedies are just too slow and drawn out for me. I don't think they work well when played that slowly, and I prefer others in this music. De Leeuw's 2nd Philips box set survey (the digital one) is also invaluable for the CD of Satie Mélodies that it includes. Satie's songs are surprisingly interesting works, among his finest music I think. De Leeuw has also recently recorded "Socrate" with soprano Barbara Hannigan. I haven't heard that CD yet, but the reviews have been favorable.

    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Early-P...de+leeuw+satie (These are De Leeuw's earlier analogue recordings from around 1980.)
    https://www.amazon.com/Gymnopdies-Gn...de+leeuw+satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Danses-...de+leeuw+satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Music-D...de+leeuw+satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Socrate-Barba...de+leeuw+satie

    2) As for Pascal Roge, I've enjoyed his Satie too. I consider Roge's Satie and Poulenc to be among his finest recordings in the French repertory. However, in the 3 Gymnopedies & 6 Gnossiennes I can at times find Roge a bit too soft-hued and dreamy (or new agey), though it depends on my mood. For me, Roge is more interesting elsewhere in Satie, such as on this very fine album:

    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Piano-W...rds=Roge+satie

    Though occasionally I'll be in the mood for Roge's more soft-hued treatment of the Gymnopedies & Gnossiennes:

    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-After-R...rds=Roge+satie

    3) As for Aldo Ciccolini, I consider his first EMI traversal of Satie's solo piano works from the 1960s to be superior to his later digital survey for EMI, which I didn't overly care for, & wouldn't recommend (though it has better sound than the early survey).

    Bear in mind that when Ciccolini made his first Satie series in the 1960s (1966-71), he had little competition in this repertory. There weren't many Satie recordings in the catalogue, and no pianist had yet done a complete survey of Satie's piano music. As a result, Ciccolini developed a big reputation in this music, but it was essentially by default. I'm not saying it isn't fine Satie playing, as it is, and Ciccolini certainly deserves a lot of credit for introducing many classical music lovers to the music of Satie. But I think there have been better Satie pianists to come along since Ciccolini (like De Leeuw, Varsano, Clidat, Pontinen, & Höjer); although I wouldn't want to be without his excellent 1960s EMI box set, even if his 3 Gymnopedies can now sound slightly too fast to me, in places:

    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-LOeuvre...atie+ciccolini
    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Piano-W..._&dpSrc=detail

    4) In addition to De Leeuw, four of my other favorite Satie pianists are Roland Pontinen, Daniel Varsano, France Clidat, and Olaf Höjer. I've also liked an excellent single Satie disc from Håkon Austbø.

    Pontinen is particularly underrated in Satie, in my view. For me, he's one of the finest Satie pianists today. This early Pontinen recording is one of my favorite Satie discs:

    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Piano-M...pontinen+satie

    On Pontinen's later Satie disc, he appears to have rethought the music, and his generally slower tempi are possibly influenced by De Leeuw's digital survey (?):

    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Encore-...pontinen+satie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCws9X5r_Z8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_kUgPZxy30

    At times, France Clidat takes a more Lisztian view of Satie perhaps, but it works. She is poetic & gentle too, not too fast, but not too slow either. Her survey won the French Grand Prix du Disque in 1984, and is among the finest Satie in the catalogue, IMO:

    https://www.amazon.com/Erik-Satie-Co...s=Clidat+satie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaAZwFFjqpA

    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Gymnop%...s=austbo+Satie

    Among the complete surveys of Satie's solo piano music, pianist Olaf Höjer's extensive, rather 'off the radar' series for the Swedish Society label was a real sleeper. While there may be pianists that I prefer to Höjer in Satie on an individual basis, nevertheless, I'd take Höjer's survey over Ciccolini's later digital one, and Thibaudet's on Decca as well (though maybe not De Leeuw's 1st Phillips survey). Unfortunately, all 5 volumes can be find now, as it's apparently gone out of print. However, volumes 1 & 2, at least, still seem to be available at a reasonable price:

    https://www.amazon.com/Erik-Satie-Co...ds=Hojer+satie
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004UXYT1Y..._mp3_als_qp_pa
    https://www.amazon.com/Reverie-pauvr...ds=Hojer+satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Complet...ds=Hojer+satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Complet...ds=Hojer+satie

    Among other cycles, I've found parts of Steffen Schleiermacher's survey on MDG to be worthwhile, and Jean-Yves Thibaudet's Decca cycle too.

    https://www.amazon.com/Erik-Satie-Pi...ords=MDG+satie

    Finally, Daniel Varsano's single Satie album is another one of my favorites. Varsano, who died young, was a student of the legendary Brazilian pianist Magda Tagliaferro, who had premiered works by Reynaldo Hahn, and played Faure's Dolly Suite with the composer on tour. Like his teacher, Varsano had incredible finger control and a wonderful sense of color, which sets his Satie apart & makes it very special. There have been many reissues of Varsano's recording, so if interested, you might want to do a full search in order to find the best price:

    https://www.amazon.com/Daniel-Varsan...=Varsano+Satie

    https://www.amazon.com/Sateipmeikiyo...=Varsano+Satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Piano-W...=Varsano+Satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Piano-M...=Varsano+Satie
    https://www.amazon.com/Satie-Gymnop%...=Varsano+Satie
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    Bumping because Satie is great.

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    Default R.I.P Mr de Leeuw




    Erik Satie early pianoworks - Reinbert de Leeuw - part 1





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinbert_de_Leeuw
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

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    Rest in peace to a towering artist. Perhaps, tied with the very different Aldo Ciccolini, the greatest Satie interpreter of his time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Rest in peace to a towering artist. Perhaps, tied with the very different Aldo Ciccolini, the greatest Satie interpreter of his time.
    Aw, I'm sorry to hear that. When I'm his age, I hope I'm as cool as he still was.

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    Some of my favorite Satie, by one of my favorite pianists:



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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Some of my favorite Satie, by one of my favorite pianists:


    That looks great, but not for 75 bucks. I'll keep my eyes peeled for cheaper copies.

    I've been listening to the late Reinbert de Leeuw. His Satie is really something else.

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