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    Whilst I am familiar with the Abbado studio recording in French, I don't know his live recordings in Italian (some of which include extra parts of the opera from the French original version (but performed in Italian).

    Which of these recordings do you recommend and on which labels are they available?

    Which are your favourites and why? Should I get another recording of this opera? (I already have seven!)

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    There’s a free download of the Dec 07, 1977 Abbado La Scala performance Freni/Carreras/Obraztsova/Cappuccilli/Ghiaurov/Nesterenko at Parterre Box (link below) considered the best live Don Carlo and the most complete, also available on Myto and Legato Classics both available on Amazon.

    along with another live 1967 performance in French from French Radio ORTF conducted by Pierre-Michel Lecomte

    https://parterre.com/2017/12/07/don-...-more-or-less/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    There’s a free download of the Dec 07, 1977 Abbado La Scala performance Freni/Carreras/Obraztsova/Cappuccilli/Ghiaurov/Nesterenko at Parterre Box (link below) considered the best live Don Carlo and the most complete, also available on Myto and Legato Classics both available on Amazon.
    The Myto sounds vastly better than the Legato issue. Great performance, hyper-complete, in excellent sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    The Myto sounds vastly better than the Legato issue. Great performance, hyper-complete, in excellent sound.

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    Thanks for that, I don’t know either recording. Both are out of print. The Parterre download is quite clear, but lacks focus in places.
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    I still prefer 1968 to 1977. Ghiaurov/Talvela works much better than Ghiaurov/Nesterenko (who manages to miss some notes both in duet and in jail scene). Ghiaurov is AMAZING in both recordings though. And you get some additional music in 1968 as well (Lacrymosa)

    This edition above is in pretty good (for a 68 live recording) sound which gets a bit muddier towards the last act but still enjoyable. Make no mistake, it's a sensational performance.

    As for 1977 one, I have Ars Vocalis remastering and it's very satisfying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azol View Post
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    I still prefer 1968 to 1977. Ghiaurov/Talvela works much better than Ghiaurov/Nesterenko (who manages to miss some notes both in duet and in jail scene). Ghiaurov is AMAZING in both recordings though. And you get some additional music in 1968 as well (Lacrymosa)

    This edition above is in pretty good (for a 68 live recording) sound which gets a bit muddier towards the last act but still enjoyable. Make no mistake, it's a sensational performance.

    As for 1977 one, I have Ars Vocalis remastering and it's very satisfying.
    I didn’t know about the Abbado 1968. Rita-Orlandi Malaspina (what a great name) is not a voice I know. I’m surprised that the 1968 has more music than 1977, as it is supposed to be super-complete!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    I didn’t know about the Abbado 1968. Rita-Orlandi Malaspina (what a great name) is not a voice I know. I’m surprised that the 1968 has more music than 1977, as it is supposed to be super-complete!
    Hmm, I don't think I stated that 1968 had more music, I only said that it had additional music as well.
    1968 - 4 acts, 172 minutes
    1977 - 5 acts, 238 minutes, 15 of which is ballet music bonus (on Ars Vocalis version at least)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azol View Post
    Hmm, I don't think I stated that 1968 had more music, I only said that it had additional music as well.
    1968 - 4 acts, 172 minutes
    1977 - 5 acts, 238 minutes, 15 of which is ballet music bonus (on Ars Vocalis version at least)
    Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought we got « some additional music as well (Lacrymosa) “ that it was additional to the 1977. Thanks for clarifying.
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    No problem
    Both versions have Lacrymosa in place, but since OP asked for other recommended live Abbado recordings, the 1968 is immediate candidate with an immaculate cast and in (quite) good sound:



    P.S. I was wondering at why this video is shorter than actual performance, but it seems that it's just incomplete (finishes halfway through the last act). Anyway, the sound is close to what I hear on Frequenz CD so you can hear for yourself if the sound is comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azol View Post
    No problem
    Both versions have Lacrymosa in place, but since OP asked for other recommended live Abbado recordings, the 1968 is immediate candidate with an immaculate cast and in (quite) good sound:



    P.S. I was wondering at why this video is shorter than actual performance, but it seems that it's just incomplete (finishes halfway through the last act). Anyway, the sound is close to what I hear on Frequenz CD so you can hear for yourself if the sound is comfortable.
    Yes, it sounds very well. Thanks!

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    Thanks, I will investigate the 1977 live one then.

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    The Abbado Scala 77 (2nd favourite 5Act Italian version) qualified in my challenge just above the Studio Giulini and just below the Studio Solti (favourite 5 Act Italian version).

    What I wrote down about it is that it features the most amount of music, also well-conducted, but also sung by a first rate cast. Carreras and Freni beat many of their Karajan efforts. Cappuccili's Posa in his best level too, a bit erratic Obratszova and greyish Ghiaurov.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    What I wrote down about it is that it features the most amount of music, also well-conducted, but also sung by a first rate cast. Carreras and Freni beat many of their Karajan efforts. Cappuccili's Posa in his best level too, a bit erratic Obratszova and greyish Ghiaurov.
    For the five act Modena version in Italian, of course. (The most complete recordings are those of the French original five act or the Modena five act in French.)

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    P.S. Someone should release a complete set with both versions in.

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    I've noticed that besides the 1968 and 1977 versions mentioned already, there are also versions conducted by Abbado in 1970, 1978 and 1989... Full casts listed at https://www.operadis-opera-discograp...LVEDONC.HTM#60

    Don Carlos [Don Carlo] by Giuseppe Verdi performed in Italian
    Conductor Claudio Abbado - 1970(LI)
    Orchestra - Teatro alla Scala
    Chorus - Teatro alla Scala
    Don Carlo - Plácido Domingo
    Filippo II - Nicolai Ghiaurov
    Rodrigo - Piero Cappuccilli
    Il Grande Inquisitore - Martti Talvela
    Un Frate - Antonio Zerbini
    Elisabetta di Valois - Rita Orlandi Malaspina
    La principessa Eboli - Shirley Verrett
    Tebaldo - Edith Martelli
    Il Conte di Lerma - Gianfranco Manganotti
    Un Araldo Reale - Piero De Palma
    Una voce dal cielo - Maria Candida

    Don Carlos [Don Carlo] by Giuseppe Verdi performed in Italian
    Conductor Claudio Abbado - 1978(LI)
    Orchestra - Teatro alla Scala
    Chorus - Teatro alla Scala
    Don Carlo - Plácido Domingo
    Filippo II - Evgeny Nesterenko
    Rodrigo - Renato Bruson
    Il Grande Inquisitore - Luigi Roni
    Un Frate - Giovanni Foiani
    Elisabetta di Valois - Margaret Price
    La principessa Eboli - Elena Obraztsova
    Tebaldo - Maria Fausta Galamini
    Il Conte di Lerma - Gianfranco Manganotti
    Un Araldo Reale - Antonio Savastano
    Una voce dal cielo - Francesca Caldara

    Don Carlos [Don Carlo] by Giuseppe Verdi performed in Italian
    Conductor Claudio Abbado - 1989(LI)
    Orchestra - Wiener Staatsoper
    Chorus - Wiener Staatsoper
    Don Carlo - Luis Lima
    Filippo II - Ruggero Raimondi
    Rodrigo - Renato Bruson
    Il Grande Inquisitore - Anatoly Kotcherga (Kocherga)
    Un Frate - Goran Simic
    Elisabetta di Valois - Mirella Freni
    La principessa Eboli - Agnes Baltsa
    Tebaldo - Gabriele Sima
    Il Conte di Lerma - Bojidar Nikolov
    Un Araldo Reale - Bojidar Nikolov
    Una voce dal cielo - Brigitte Poschner-Klebel

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