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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht;
    The people who don't like the idea of listening to music that is a couple centuries old, listen to something different than classical.
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    And is there anyone on this forum who listens exclusively to the modern classical music and does not enjoy any that was composed before the modern era?
    What do you mean by 'modern classical music' and how does it relate to your first quote above?

    What point are you seeking to make from your second quote?

    Please explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayd View Post
    What do you mean by 'modern classical music' and how does it relate to your first quote above?

    What point are you seeking to make from your second quote?

    Please explain.
    OK. Ptr said this:

    I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with loving history, but rather that the passion for music of the past is at best leaving us with Status Quo that most often only moves backwards!
    I answered him that pretty much all classical listeners seem to have a passion for music which was composed long in the past (17, 18, 19 century or even before that). Hardly anyone limits himself strictly to music that was composed a few years ago, even if it is "classical". And people to whom music which is a century or two old, is "outdated" or something like that, those people are hardly found among classical fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    OK. Ptr said this:



    I answered him that pretty much all classical listeners seem to have a passion for music which was composed long in the past (17, 18, 19 century or even before that). Hardly anyone limits himself strictly to music that was composed a few years ago, even if it is "classical". And people to whom music which is a century or two old, is "outdated" or something like that, those people are hardly found among classical fans.
    Aha! Now I understand you. Thank you for clarifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    OK. Ptr said this:



    I answered him that pretty much all classical listeners seem to have a passion for music which was composed long in the past (17, 18, 19 century or even before that). Hardly anyone limits himself strictly to music that was composed a few years ago, even if it is "classical". And people to whom music which is a century or two old, is "outdated" or something like that, those people are hardly found among classical fans.
    Would you have agreed with Ptr if he had said this...?

    "I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with loving history, but rather that the NEAR EXCLUSIVE passion for music of the past is at best leaving us with Status Quo that most often only moves backwards!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayd View Post
    Would you have agreed with Ptr if he had said this...?

    "I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with loving history, but rather that the NEAR EXCLUSIVE passion for music of the past is at best leaving us with Status Quo that most often only moves backwards!"
    I really don't know enough about the current Status Quo to give an informed answer. My personal area of interest in classical music ends (for now) with the last Romantics: Sibelius and Richard Strauss, and I still have too much to learn about all that was before them to get to know the more modern music. Besides, in the later times a lot of artists in all high arts, including music, seem to prefer experimentation for the sake of experimentation and "pushing our limits" (like those recitals described in this thread) to the creation of beauty. Please correct me if I am wrong.
    ... yet for us will still remain the holy German art... (Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
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    You don't have to like it, but without people who try to expand the possibilities of their instrument ...
    Well I agree, there are no 'shoulds' in music, I am firmly an advocate of that type of 'philosophy.'

    Quote Originally Posted by OboeKnight View Post
    They don't have to be ridiculous to everyone, I just find the two I mentioned to be ridiculous. I appreciate efforts to expand the capabilities of instruments and music, but I don't embrace all of it. I enjoyed many of the contemporary recitals there, these two just left me disturbed lol. Perhaps the thread title could have been chosen with a less-harsh name but it was late and I was tired :P oh well. It could be: Mind Boggling Recitals
    Well I'm the same with these types of concerts I've attended in the past. A typical program will have some more middle ground stuff interspersed with more challenging things. It can be challenging to be put far out of one's comfort zone, however on the whole I've found that I take away something positive from these concerts. I think the programmers do try to present a number of things on the night, unless its a concert focusing on one thing, with which I have the choice not to go if I think the published program is not for me. Simple as that, we got the choice, the buck stops with us as listeners. But I'm the same with some traditional things. I got no big urge now to hear Beethoven's 5th, I had a gutful of it, he did 8 other symphonies, so I want to hear those live too, not just that cos its most famous. So its the same with everything, I got a choice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OboeKnight View Post
    ... The worst was probably when a man took out his iPhone and out a drone on, then began playing random whole notes over top of the drone. He did this for twenty minutes and took a bow....I was so confused. Another one I can remember was called "Cats in the Kitchen." It was a flute and oboe duet....they turned on a recording of breaking dishes and cats yowling while playing sixteenth note runs. Another bewildering performance.

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    It is just talentless muck, masquerading as "art".
    All composers are equal but some are more equal than others.

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    This makes me laugh for a while. Then i get a bit bored.

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