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    I was just thinking back on my experience at the IDRS (International Double-Reed Society) last summer. I attended many of the recitals there and my gosh, were some of them nutty. The worst was probably when a man took out his iPhone and out a drone on, then began playing random whole notes over top of the drone. He did this for twenty minutes and took a bow....I was so confused. Another one I can remember was called "Cats in the Kitchen." It was a flute and oboe duet....they turned on a recording of breaking dishes and cats yowling while playing sixteenth note runs. Another bewildering performance.

    So, what are the strangest recitals you've attended? What left you completely at a loss for words?

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    I went to an experimental recital once. It had this piece played by a guy doing circular breathing on sax which went on for ages. Sounded like he was playing the one note. I found it very annoying. However that did not stop me from going to these sorts of things when I feel like it. I've still heard some great music at these types of recitals. But as I get older I'm finding its not my thing any more, or not as much as it was.

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    I don't understand why it is "ridiculous", it is just music that challenges the listeners perception of what music can be. This is not a new phenomenon, contemporary music of any era throughout history has been met with contempt and misunderstanding by it's contemporary audiences.

    You don't have to like it, but without people who try to expand the possibilities of their instrument and/or music the musical universe will implode under the conservative historicist cultural-musical paradigm that the "average" music-lover prefer. We'd still be sitting in our stone age cultural cave knocking stones together, there would be no progress if the crazy buggers did not challenge our collective perceptions on what is good and possible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
    I don't understand why it is "ridiculous", it is just music that challenges the listeners perception of what music can be. This is not a new phenomenon, contemporary music of any era throughout history has been met with contempt and misunderstanding by it's contemporary audiences.

    You don't have to like it, but without people who try to expand the possibilities of their instrument and/or music the musical universe will implode under the conservative historicist cultural-musical paradigm that the "average" music-lover prefer. We'd still be sitting in our stone age cultural cave knocking stones together, there would be no progress if the crazy buggers did not challenge our collective perceptions on what is good and possible!

    /ptr
    They don't have to be ridiculous to everyone, I just find the two I mentioned to be ridiculous. I appreciate efforts to expand the capabilities of instruments and music, but I don't embrace all of it. I enjoyed many of the contemporary recitals there, these two just left me disturbed lol. Perhaps the thread title could have been chosen with a less-harsh name but it was late and I was tired :P oh well. It could be: Mind Boggling Recitals

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
    I don't understand why it is "ridiculous", it is just music that challenges the listeners perception of what music can be. This is not a new phenomenon, contemporary music of any era throughout history has been met with contempt and misunderstanding by it's contemporary audiences.

    You don't have to like it, but without people who try to expand the possibilities of their instrument and/or music the musical universe will implode under the conservative historicist cultural-musical paradigm that the "average" music-lover prefer. We'd still be sitting in our stone age cultural cave knocking stones together, there would be no progress if the crazy buggers did not challenge our collective perceptions on what is good and possible!

    /ptr
    Fortunately, my powers of intimidation are slight enough to allow me to state that the stuff OK described ain't music, and almost certainly wasn't intended to be music. That sort of goings-on is "Look at me, I'm clever and unique, and challenging your limits." Juvenile at any age.
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    Agreed. That sort of recital is more in the category of performance art. Playing around with the idea of what performance is.
    A worthy pursuit I suppose, but not one I enjoy attending very often, and not to be confused with music performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilltroll72 View Post
    That sort of goings-on is "Look at me, I'm clever and unique, and challenging your limits." Juvenile at any age.
    I disagree that such behaviour should be described as juvenile. It could apply for example to Rollins, Monk & other jazz greats. Further back, Liszt could be accused of the same 'goings-on'.

    Do you think that these artists are immature?

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    I believe that both Hilltroll72 and hreichgott are proving my point amply by defending conservative historicist cultural-musical paradigm! I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with loving history, but rather that the passion for music of the past is at best leaving us with Status Quo that most often only moves backwards!

    I love history but I quite detest any thought of moving backwards!

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    There was no musical phrase, musical direction, or any emotion in either performance. It could hardly be called anything but "sound." If that appeals to some people, that's great. It just isn't for me. The topic is about strange, odd, or otherwise unusual recitals you have attended, whether you thought them "ridiculous" or not. Let's return to the topic. Deepest apologies for my use of the word ridiculous.

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    Try this:



    I once attended a 6 hour performance of this man sound works in a large church... I'm not sure I'm a better person for it, but I survived and learnt something profound about myself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
    I believe that both Hilltroll72 and hreichgott are proving my point amply by defending conservative historicist cultural-musical paradigm! I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with loving history, but rather that the passion for music of the past is at best leaving us with Status Quo that most often only moves backwards!

    I love history but I quite detest any thought of moving backwards!

    /ptr
    Of course there is always the quaint idea that one should be allowed to listen to exactly what one wishes--to hell with the pig iron music! But you may listen to it day and night my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
    I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with loving history, but rather that the passion for music of the past is at best leaving us with Status Quo that most often only moves backwards!
    But we all, as classical listeners, are passionate for the music of the past, and most of the music discussed on this forum comes from the 18-19th century. The people who don't like the idea of listening to music that is a couple centuries old, listen to something different than classical.
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    the concept behind these bewildering recitals OK mentioned might be to challenge the audience, however the idea seems rather underdeveloped and/or unimaginative. Is playing whole notes over a drone exploring the instrument's possibilities to the fullest? Sounds rather like what the people who first developed the instrument might have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    But we all, as classical listeners, are passionate for the music of the past, and most of the music discussed on this forum comes from the 18-19th century. The people who don't like the idea of listening to music that is a couple centuries old, listen to something different than classical.
    I agree that all of the music we listen to comes from the past.

    However, much of the music discussed in this forum doesn't come from the 18th or 19th centuries.

    Indeed, a large amount of classical music exists which is either significantly older or significantly younger than 'a couple of centuries old'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayd View Post
    I agree that all of the music we listen to comes from the past.

    However, much of the music discussed in this forum doesn't come from the 18th or 19th centuries.

    Indeed, a large amount of classical music exists which is either significantly older or significantly younger than 'a couple of centuries old'.
    I did not say "all of it", I said "most". And is there anyone on this forum who listens exclusively to the modern classical music and does not enjoy any that was composed before the modern era?
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