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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavaradossi View Post
    I suppose some accomplished (or wreckless) sopranos might take on Carmen, but I don't think anyone considers it a soprano part.

    As far as soprano arias, the "whole package" aria for me is mi chiamano Mimi. Who wouldn't fall in love with Mimi after that?

    You probably mean such reckless sopranos as: Anna Moffo, Victoria de los Angeles, Maria Callas, Anna Caterina Antonucci, Julia Migenes, Angela Gheorghiu, Leontyne Price,Regine Crespin,Suzanne Juyol,Lily Djanel,and great ones from history :Emmy Destinn,Geraldine Farrar and the first really famous "Carmen" Emma Calve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    You probably mean such reckless sopranos as: Anna Moffo, Victoria de los Angeles, Maria Callas, Anna Caterina Antonacci, Julia Migenes, Angela Gheorghiu, Leontyne Price,Regine Crespin,Suzanne Juyol,Lily Djanel,and great ones from history :Emmy Destinn,Geraldine Farrar and the first really famous "Carmen" Emma Calve.
    To be fair, ACA started singing it whilst she was still a mezzo. Also, soprano Carmens (with the exception of Callas, who probably was a mezzo anyway and most definitely could sing anything (as a side note, she would have been a terriffic Rigoletto)) are inherently un-sexy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aksel View Post
    To be fair, ACA started singing it whilst she was still a mezzo. Also, soprano Carmens (with the exception of Callas, who probably was a mezzo anyway and most definitely could sing anything (as a side note, she would have been a terriffic Rigoletto)) are inherently un-sexy.
    I see the points you make but I was countering Cavaradossi's sweeping statement that as a matter of fact was just incorrect,you don't comment on the rest of the list and there are many more.
    In my opinion Conchita Supervia was the greatest Carmen of all and sexy is an understatement in her case.
    I won't even start on my opinion of Callas it will only start an uprising.
    The best all round recording of the opera is probably still Beecham's and his Carmen is de los Angeles and I have an off the television recording of Maria Ewing which is fairly devastating.
    Of course the modern outlook on the lady is that she wasn't a sl*t at all but a victim.
    Did you see that word that's been censored,how pitiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    Of course the modern outlook on the lady is that she wasn't a sl*t at all but a victim.
    Did you see that word that's been censored,how pitiful.
    There are quite a few interpretations of the Carmen story. Is the victim interpretation so wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aksel View Post
    There are quite a few interpretations of the Carmen story. Is the victim interpretation so wrong?
    I have no comment on it apart from the performances I like make her out to ne somewhat naughty and so does the music.
    Naughty wasn't censored---that's a wonder
    Why don't you print out your thesis on the subject,I know you are really keen to do so!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    I have no comment on it apart from the performances I like make her out to ne somewhat naughty and so does the music.
    Naughty wasn't censored---that's a wonder
    Why don't you print out your thesis on the subject,I know you are really keen to do so!
    While I don't have a thesis on the subject, I think you're making the whole thing out to be a bit more simplistic than it really is. Carmen is rather more complex than just a bit naughty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aksel View Post
    While I don't have a thesis on the subject, I think you're making the whole thing out to be a bit more simplistic than it really is. Carmen is rather more complex than just a bit naughty.
    Hah! Aksel, I think moody's 'naughty' is an euphemism that he hoped would make it by the software censor. Carmen is a comely girl of the peasant class, in a 'non-Puritan' society. [I'm betting that gets by too.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aksel View Post
    There are quite a few interpretations of the Carmen story. Is the victim interpretation so wrong?
    I don't think Carmen was an exceptionally wayward woman and I also don't think that Bizet intended to portray her that way. Yes, she was, mmm, "experienced" in carnal ways and open about it. In that way she was at least more candid than women of higher social status. Her wonderful vamping of Don Jose, in whom she seems genuinely attracted, is fine. It's she who takes advantage of his naive status. Whether she's a victim, as defined by today's politically correct venue, is debatable. Yes, she's been swept into her dissipated life by circumstances beyond her control, but at least she seems to enjoy her life. Of course, in today's ultra-psychologically tinted glass, everyone's a victim of evil corporate greed, etc etc ad infinitum, to the degree that some people seem to make a living of being "professional victims". Boring. (thread drift and rant concluded)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aksel View Post
    While I don't have a thesis on the subject, I think you're making the whole thing out to be a bit more simplistic than it really is. Carmen is rather more complex than just a bit naughty.
    Yes I think it's simplistic ---at least I did until I saw your post .I'm sorry but I don't have time for imaginary notions regarding Carmen which is an opera I've been listening to for around 63 years .
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    I also feel Carmen has one of the most straight-forward plots out there. Carmen is a player, she enjoys doing what and whom she wants, she truly enjoys "sticking it to the man", as we'd say today, but I don't think she's mean. There is no way I see her as a victim. She's having fun to the end. I think she even sees her own death as just a minor inconvenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    In my opinion Conchita Supervia was the greatest Carmen of all and sexy is an understatement in her case.
    cheers for mentioning her! It usually takes me a while to warm up to old time singers but I had no problems whatsoever with her.

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    The song of the moon from Rusalka is really very nice.
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    Oh there are so many! but if its sung well,Printemps qui commence from Samson and Delilah does it for me. Or (Mon cœur s'ouvre à ta voix)

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    "Il était un roi de Thulé" and the Jewel Song "Ah! je ris de me voir si belle en ce miroir", Faust
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aksel View Post
    No Strauss, guys? Really? Really?
    Magee is a good one - her Tosca, with Hampson as the Baron, was completely convincing. She's at the Met next season but I don't remember for what - but I am looking forward to it!

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