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    I just discovered a recording of the 12th symphony by Michael Gielen - of all people! And at least after a brief search I couldn't find any other Shostakovich recordings by him, apart from the accompanying 1st piano concerto. Now why on earth would this Beethoven-Mahler-Bruckner conductor part excellence decide to record just this one symphony by Shostakovich? I find the choice rather surprising. Is there a story behind this recording?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janspe View Post
    I just discovered a recording of the 12th symphony by Michael Gielen - of all people! And at least after a brief search I couldn't find any other Shostakovich recordings by him, apart from the accompanying 1st piano concerto. Now why on earth would this Beethoven-Mahler-Bruckner conductor part excellence decide to record just this one symphony by Shostakovich? I find the choice rather surprising. Is there a story behind this recording?

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    He gave an interview in the 90s where he mentioned a general lack of affinity with the music, but some interest in the 8th and 10th symphonies nonetheless. I'm not sure he ever performed them. 12 certainly is a strange symphony to single out; one of the weaker ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMeatScience View Post
    He gave an interview in the 90s where he mentioned a general lack of affinity with the music, but some interest in the 8th and 10th symphonies nonetheless. I'm not sure he ever performed them. 12 certainly is a strange symphony to single out; one of the weaker ones.
    Thanks for the reply! Yes, I was also aware of Gielen's general lack of interest in Shostakovich (for some reason that doesn't surprise me at all) so the fact he did a recording of the 12th is all the more puzzling. Go figure!

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    Is it any good? I know most rate the 12th as Shostakovich's worst.

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    This week I've started up again with the symphonies and string quartets. Then I began to branch out to the other chamber music, the concertos, and have been really enjoying getting back into his music.

    After a long time it is fun to listen again to this music.
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    A game on here had the thirteenth Symphonie in it and I listened to that intensively again... What a great work this is.
    Admittedly the composer is one of my favourites and I might be a bit biased...but it gives me the shivers...

    This rendition , is one I had never listened to before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janspe View Post
    I just discovered a recording of the 12th symphony by Michael Gielen - of all people! And at least after a brief search I couldn't find any other Shostakovich recordings by him, apart from the accompanying 1st piano concerto. Now why on earth would this Beethoven-Mahler-Bruckner conductor part excellence decide to record just this one symphony by Shostakovich? I find the choice rather surprising. Is there a story behind this recording?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Is it any good? I know most rate the 12th as Shostakovich's worst.
    I've owned it but found it very uninteresting by comparison, and sold it. Haitink for example is impressive in the 12th, and there are many better recordings of the 1st Piano Concerto.
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    Default Books on Shostakovich

    I've been on a Shostakovich journey for the past few months so I've been reading books related to his life and music, as follows:

    1. Volkov, Testimony, the Memoirs of DSCH
    2. Barnes, The Noise of Time
    3. Johnson, How Shostakovich Changed My Mind
    4. MacDonald, The New Shostakovich
    5. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (reader be warned...)
    6. The Complete Poems of Anna Akhmatova
    7. Taylor, Shostakovich: A Life Remembered
    8. Masullo, Shostakovich 24 Preludes and Fugues
    9. Lesser, Music for Silenced Voices: The Shostakovich and His 15 String Quartets
    10. Ho and Feofanov, Shostakovich Reconsidered
    11. The Stories of Vladimir Nabokov
    12. Hamrick Brown, A Shostakovich Casebook

    This is a partial list...ones I've read so far; there are many, many more.
    Last edited by Snowbrain; Dec-04-2021 at 06:15. Reason: numbered the list

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    Where can one buy orchestral scores of Shostakovich's works? The Moscow publisher DSCH sells them but they're super expensive. I bought a nice hardcover of the 5th symphony from DSCH but it was $80! The 4th is over $90 and others are also pricey. Who else offers them? IMSLP does not have any Shostakovich since his works are still under copyright. Any suggestions?
    Thanks for any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbrain View Post
    Where can one buy orchestral scores of Shostakovich's works? The Moscow publisher DSCH sells them but they're super expensive. I bought a nice hardcover of the 5th symphony from DSCH but it was $80! The 4th is over $90 and others are also pricey. Who else offers them? IMSLP does not have any Shostakovich since his works are still under copyright. Any suggestions?
    Thanks for any help.
    Dover put out 2 publications:
    Syms 1 and 5
    Syms 9 and 10

    I acquired others - Sikorski editions, i think distributed by Hal Leonard...iirc, i purchased them
    thru SheetMusic...online...they aren't cheap, but not too awful c$30-35 a piece [this was several years ago,]...I've no idea as to price or availability at present...Good luck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    Dover put out 2 publications:
    Syms 1 and 5
    Syms 9 and 10

    I acquired others - Sikorski editions, i think distributed by Hal Leonard...iirc, i purchased them
    thru SheetMusic...online...they aren't cheap, but not too awful c$30-35 a piece [this was several years ago,]...I've no idea as to price or availability at present...Good luck...

    Thanks for the tips but I've searched all over the place for Shostakovich complete scores and I've never seen anything of his by Dover... can you send me a link to the Dover ones you mention? So far what's showing up are 1) DSCH editions, 2) Sikorski editions, and 3) Japanese Zen-on-Score import editions.. but nothing by Dover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbrain View Post
    Thanks for the tips but I've searched all over the place for Shostakovich complete scores and I've never seen anything of his by Dover... can you send me a link to the Dover ones you mention? So far what's showing up are 1) DSCH editions, 2) Sikorski editions, and 3) Japanese Zen-on-Score import editions.. but nothing by Dover.
    The reason you can't see anything published by Dover is because they don't exist. I did a search on Dover's website and here are results I received:

    https://doverpublications.ecomm-sear...s=Shostakovich
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    I just have to mention how incredible the newer recording of the Babi Yar is with Muti/CSO:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbrain View Post
    I've been on a Shostakovich journey for the past few months so I've been reading books related to his life and music, as follows:

    1. Volkov, Testimony, the Memoirs of DSCH
    2. Barnes, The Noise of Time
    3. Johnson, How Shostakovich Changed My Mind
    4. MacDonald, The New Shostakovich
    5. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (reader be warned...)
    6. The Complete Poems of Anna Akhmatova
    7. Taylor, Shostakovich: A Life Remembered
    8. Masullo, Shostakovich 24 Preludes and Fugues
    9. Lesser, Music for Silenced Voices: The Shostakovich and His 15 String Quartets
    10. Ho and Feofanov, Shostakovich Reconsidered
    11. The Stories of Vladimir Nabokov
    12. Hamrick Brown, A Shostakovich Casebook

    This is a partial list...ones I've read so far; there are many, many more.

    In case you don't know, Shostakovich sources are a minefield of misinformation and slovenly thinking. Before reading Testimony, read at least the first two chapters of Brown's Shostakovich Casebook. It will prepare you for the fact that Testimony is fraudulent. The book is not in fact the memoirs of Shostakovich and only what is corroborated in other more reliable sources can be assumed to have been said by Shostakovich.

    And as soon as you read MacDonald, especially his writing on the Fifth Symphony, find the essay by Taruskin cited below. Then decide how seriously to take MacDonald's theses.

    Taruskin, Richard. “Public Lies and Unspeakable Truth: Interpreting Shostakovich’s Fifth Symphony.” In Shostakovich Studies. Ed. David Fanning. Cambridge University Press (1995): 17-56.
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