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    Wow, a Puccini opera with a happy ending. Nice!
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dionisio View Post
    Although it is one of Puccini's operas i enjoy the most, the plot is weaker than other popular work.

    This opera stands, perhaps, in no man's land. Too avant-garde for traditionalists. To traditional for progressists.

    Also the fact that lacks of traditional arias.

    Nevertheless, Mimi is probably one of the most demanding leading roles for a woman (besides singing, she most know how to ride a horse and shot a pistol)
    Um...I know you meant Minnie and not Mimi, whose lyric voice is a piece of cake next to Minnie.

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    One of the most exciting scenes in all of operadom is the Poker Scene in Fanciulla del West as done by Renata Tebaldi. It sends shivers up your spine.
    Listen for yourself as she bargains for the life of Mr. Johnson by challenging Rance to a game of poker. She cheats and wins! When she yells "tre assi e un paio" (3 aces and a pair) the audience goes nuts.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGVjjTTtSfE

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    Quote Originally Posted by nina foresti View Post
    One of the most exciting scenes in all of operadom is the Poker Scene in Fanciulla del West as done by Renata Tebaldi. It sends shivers up your spine.
    Listen for yourself as she bargains for the life of Mr. Johnson by challenging Rance to a game of poker. She cheats and wins! When she yells "tre assi e un paio" (3 aces and a pair) the audience goes nuts.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGVjjTTtSfE
    Oh my gosh, this is magnificent! Total goosebumps. Thanks for posting!
    Last edited by betterthanfine; Jan-21-2018 at 21:42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Wow, a Puccini opera with a happy ending. Nice!
    It is enough with Turandot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betterthanfine View Post
    Oh my gosh, this is magnificent! Total goosebumps. Thanks for posting!
    Always great to see a new enthusiast member, welcome to Talk Classical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Always great to see a new enthusiast member, welcome to Talk Classical.
    I see we're not just from the same country, but are both Fleming fans as well! Dank je wel voor het warme welkom!
    Last edited by betterthanfine; Jan-22-2018 at 23:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    There is one very big aria in Act 3, "Che'Ella Mi Creda..."but apart from that you are right.
    The reason for the comparative lack of popularity is that the subject matter is too modern for many people. They don't really want cowboys and miners from Puccini.
    I do not think the subject is too modern. The opera is set in 1850, 20 years later than La Boheme and Madama Butterfly was set in present time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betterthanfine View Post
    I see we're not just from the same country, but are both Fleming fans as well! Dank je wel voor het warme welkom!
    Few more Fleming fans here, dig in the opera thread, you will find them.

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    I think the soprano role is the deciding factor: the part demands a world-beater who can probably name twenty glamorous parts which are more congenial than Minnie. When you consider that Freni, Scotto, Ricciarelli and Caballe all tried parts which pushed them vocally and dramatically to their limits - including roles such as Elisabetta, Norma, Gioconda, Lady Macbeth, Tosca, Turandot - I don't think any tried Minnie?

    It's arguable that none of the complete studio recordings have matched the wild performances of the 1950s and 1960s with conductors like Mitropoulos, tenors like Del Monaco and Corelli or sopranos like Tebaldi and Olivero. As much as I love di Stefano, his records from the opera reveal the challenge the music poses to lyrical voices, no matter their temperament

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    So far I have ordered (some received) five Fanciulla DVDs and One CD set:

    La Fanciulla Domingo Daniels DVD
    La Fanciulla Domingo Neblett DVD
    La Fanciulla Domingo Zampieri DVD & CD
    La Fanciulla Kaufmann Stemme DVD
    La Fanciulla Giordani Voight DVD

    I do believe there are a couple more CD sets that would be great to have:

    Tebaldi as Minne (there seems to be more than one performance with Tebaldi on CD)
    Eleanor Steber as Minne (I heard she is even better than Tebaldi, but some of the releases are better sound than others)

    As for DVDs, I don't see any others that appeal to me at this time.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Giacomo Puccini, "Ch'ella mì creda libero" (de La Fanciulla del West)
    Now this is the show stopper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post



    Giacomo Puccini, "Ch'ella mì creda libero" (de La Fanciulla del West)
    Now this is the show stopper.
    Totally Awesome! What a remarkable voice! That one has not been delivered yet, but maybe have to watch it next or ASAP! BTW, that whole production is on YouTube, but no subtitles.
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Jan-29-2018 at 07:17.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    So far I have ordered (some received) five Fanciulla DVDs and One CD set:

    La Fanciulla Domingo Daniels DVD
    La Fanciulla Domingo Neblett DVD
    La Fanciulla Domingo Zampieri DVD & CD
    La Fanciulla Kaufmann Stemme DVD
    La Fanciulla Giordani Voight DVD

    I do believe there are a couple more CD sets that would be great to have:

    Tebaldi as Minne (there seems to be more than one performance with Tebaldi on CD)
    Eleanor Steber as Minne (I heard she is even better than Tebaldi, but some of the releases are better sound than others)

    As for DVDs, I don't see any others that appeal to me at this time.

    The Regis recording sound very reasonable, not cheap though.


    https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/cl...iulla-del-west

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    Last edited by Pugg; Jan-29-2018 at 07:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    The Regis recording sound very reasonable, not cheap though.


    https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/cl...iulla-del-west

    clips
    Between price and sound quality, I think I would go with a Tebaldi set, probably the newer of the two.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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