View Poll Results: How Much Good Has Contemporary Classical Music Done For Classical Music As A Whole?

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  • As Much Good As Any Other Previous Periods, If Not Even More

    30 42.25%
  • Moderate Influence At Best

    13 18.31%
  • Largely Nothing, As Vast Majority Of Listeners Have Little Interest In It

    20 28.17%
  • I Do Not Know Enough About Contemporary Classical Music To Comment

    8 11.27%
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    How Much Good Has Contemporary Classical Music Done For Classical Music As A Whole? An open ended question. But please, just each of our own humble opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

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    Judging from what I've seen here over the years, the only option for the vast majority is the last one. And the next to last one is worded in a way that corroborates that conclusion.

    But what I really think is that hardly anyone that posts to online forums can ask anything but wrong questions. That means questions that don't address anything real or questions that imply something false about the subject or questions that contain such vaguenesses or indefinition as to make them practically useless.

    Oh well.

    And now another round of senseless and ignorant music bashing will doubtless commence.

    At least no real pieces of music will be harmed in the process. Only straw pieces, as it were. Or straw genre.

    Here's something I am sure is real, however: music as a whole benefits from composers and musicians who are willing to take risks, willing to fail. Come to think of it, every field benefits from risk taking and failure. Indeed.

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    We can´t be stuck in only neo-classicist, neo-romantic or Hollywoodesque music for ever - that would be rather unbearable ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    We can´t be stuck in only neo-classicist, neo-romantic or Hollywoodesque music for ever - that would be rather unbearable ...
    I absolutely agree. History must march onwards. But I'm a bit old for marching now. May I be exempted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingenue View Post
    I absolutely agree. History must march onwards. But I'm a bit old for marching now. May I be exempted?
    I guess that the marching is very difficult to survey anyway, but if ones know say at least 5 pieces composed after 1980, I´d say so .

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    I voted for the last one indeed. I do not know what contemporary classical music is.

    Maybe if someone gave links to good pieces of contemporary classical music so everyone can have an idea about what the thread is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    Judging from what I've seen here over the years, the only option for the vast majority is the last one.
    Why is that (the part in bold)? Many new classical listeners (many members here at TC too) come to ask questions about old classical music - these old pieces are pieces they have never listened to before, but why take these instead of contemporary classical music? Why that choice - for the majority?

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    @joen_cph @Ingenue:

    What is history marching towards? i.e.: what will classical music of the future sound like?

    Is composing classical music something of the past?

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    None of us really knows about the music of the future, but a good guess is that global/multicultural influences will become stronger & advances in technology will influence its concepts.

    The whole concept of classical music will probably also change, but the very idea of composing music for instrumental & vocal ensembles, in part relying on the classical tradition, probably won´t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    Why is that (the part in bold)? Many new classical listeners (many members here at TC too) come to ask questions about old classical music - these old pieces are pieces they have never listened to before, but why take these instead of contemporary classical music? Why that choice - for the majority?
    That is quite simple I think - because the music moves in overall familiar territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzik View Post
    I voted for the last one indeed. I do not know what contemporary classical music is.

    Maybe if someone gave links to good pieces of contemporary classical music so everyone can have an idea about what the thread is about.
    This also comes up quite regularly, and the suggestions don´t necessarily convince the person who asks for recommendations, since musical taste is a personal thing and taste evolves according to what one is more familiar with. If one hasn´t heard much say Prokofiev, Bartok or Stravinsky for example, the leap might be a bit much. But some of the pieces that I find quite immediately attractive and composed within the last 40 years are for example

    Pärt: Tabula Rasa concerto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29DteDUwYE
    Saariaho: Flute Concerto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0jgLvpXE0
    George Perle: Piano Concertos - no.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwPbl-B7Tvc
    Keuris: Piano concerto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch_q3CvENLY
    Rochberg: Symphony 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NNewea7OWM
    Last edited by joen_cph; May-18-2013 at 10:25.

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    I would vote for the last option since Modern music to me means Mahler. But really, it has to be the same as music that's modern to any era, Bach, Beethoven, Mahler, etc. It has the disadvantage of being totally incomprehensible for a while until people catch up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzik View Post
    @joen_cph @Ingenue:

    What is history marching towards? i.e.: what will classical music of the future sound like?

    Is composing classical music something of the past?
    'Classical music' is seriously artistic musical music, so people will go on composing it. But I have no idea what it will sound like: I only did 3 weeks of my Clairvoyancy course, then dropped out.
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    The question is nonsensical and the options even more...

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    I probably would've taken the fourth option ordinarily, but someguy's denunciation of us put me in a contrary mood. So I'll have to pick one of the other three.

    I couldn't imagine an ordinary era being less than fifty years long, but it's not clear to me how far back we ought to go. I suspect 1945 to now would be a really useful periodization, perhaps divided into sub-periods around 1968 and 1989 - but I'm sure I would be viciously boiled in oleaginous rancor and served with tabasco sauce if I dared to consider Shostakovich or Britten "contemporary." It's almost like considering Iris Murdoch or Jorge Luis Borges contemporary, and we all know what a grave insult that would be to Ian McEwan or Junot Diaz, and anyone who reads that old trash is simply beneath scorn.

    Anyway, I'd judge two times of music history as more important/influential than the "period" from, say, 1968 to now - 1780 to 1830 (roughly "classical") and 1890 to 1940 (roughly "modern"). In a technical sense, this ought to mean I can't take the first option. But I definitely can't pick the second or third options. The perfect option would be 1.5th. But I have to vote as a muggle, so I'll take the first option as "least bad."
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