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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    Now I am so so glad (reference to Cream's 1969 hit I'm so Glad, I'm so Glad, I'm glad, I'm glad , I'm glad. ,,cool song).
    Great song, and you know what it's about? Emancipation!
    "Tired of weeping, tired of moaning, tired of groaning for you....Don't know what to do, don't know what to do..."
    "The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
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    "I don't mind dying, as long as I can still breathe." ---Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Great song, and you know what it's about? Emancipation!
    "Tired of weeping, tired of moaning, tired of groaning for you....Don't know what to do, don't know what to do..."
    and after all those times I heard but never understood the words. ,,,
    I just ordered the 2 double CD's off Hayden House, has the 4 Pettersson recordings.
    The Comissiona/Baltimore is ,,,quite different,,,may, just might, blow me away.
    And to think of all US major's , it is the ~~~Baltimore Symphony Orchestra~~~~ which brought us this rare 8th recording,,,,UNREAL, Just odd.
    My 1 and only Baltimore SO recording.
    Must have been one 1st rate, highly refined, virtuoso group in that day.
    Could the Baltimore perform it today, as same level, then...?

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    If Pettersson is the spokesman for the underdog, then surely he would recognize blues music as being valid. You are in New Orleans, the very heart of the blues.
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    "I don't mind dying, as long as I can still breathe." ---Me

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    HA, all this time I thought the song was a Cream original.
    Guess Peter Green as well, took some of his hits from Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker and other blues giants.
    amazing.

    Well Memphis and Chicago also lay claim to the blues capital.
    Austin Tx , has great blues with Austin City Limits.


    so how to tie in Pettersson here,,,well although John Lee Hooker remained as a obscure artist most of his life,,it was at the very end of his life that he received recognition,,,and got to drive a ,,,,New Cadillac….his dream came true,.,,,,I suspect Pettersson's time is also coming....Great art is always ahead of its time. Always.

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    Peterson would have wanted a new Cadillac hearse... Speaking of death, I was listening to Symphony No. 8 (BIS, Segerstam) which seems like a two-part, hour-long 'meditation' in a minor key, and reading the liner notes, which mention that Symphony No. 7 is sometimes referred to as "The Suicide Symphony." Did you know this?

    I wish I'd known it long ago, so I could have indulged my fascination with death. It would have been a good selling point for me.

    In light of this, it's understandable that Catholics might not want to "submit" to Pettersson's dark spell.

    It also highlights the fact that Americans are coarse and uncultured; if the teenagers had known about Pettersson, they wouldn't be wasting their time committing suicide to dreck like "Suicide Solution" by Ozzy Osbourne.

    This Pettersson thread might be the perfect opportunity to explore "the darkness" in classical music, something I tried before without success (the thread was removed) in my thread "Ahh, the Darkness!"

    Considering the fact that Pettersson wrote down ideas during his illness, on pieces of gauze and bandages, do you think his music represents Man's preoccupation with death (love/death, too), and represents his seeming destructive tendencies, such as the creation of hydrogen bombs, genocide, etc? We saw what Hitler's immediate reaction was: he prepared for suicide, a love/death with Eva Braun.
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    "We only become what we are by the radical and deep-seated refusal of that which others have made us." -Jean-Paul Sartre

    "I don't mind dying, as long as I can still breathe." ---Me

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    I too, might have appreciated Pettersson more at 35 than 65, or at certain times in life I'd rather not relive. Darkness isn't so alluring to me anymore, and I seek illumination wherever I can find it. OTOH the kind of easy listening modern CM that sells more recordings doesn't attract me at all.

    At this point in life my ears are quite flexible and my mind as well when it comes to music, and I've been a cherry picker for some time. Harvesting the best is hard work when one does it by listening and making subjective judgments. I don't even hope that my "best" will be anybody else's, and I've given up on converting anybody to anything I like. Either they do or they don't. Music opinion is like religious belief when it comes to sharing.

    So I'll be giving #8 a chance soon... right now I'm digging on Saygun's quartet, every nice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post
    I too, might have appreciated Pettersson more at 35 than 65, or at certain times in life I'd rather not relive. Darkness isn't so alluring to me anymore, and I seek illumination wherever I can find it. OTOH the kind of easy listening modern CM that sells more recordings doesn't attract me at all.

    At this point in life my ears are quite flexible and my mind as well when it comes to music, and I've been a cherry picker for some time. Harvesting the best is hard work when one does it by listening and making subjective judgments. I don't even hope that my "best" will be anybody else's, and I've given up on converting anybody to anything I like. Either they do or they don't. Music opinion is like religious belief when it comes to sharing.

    So I'll be giving #8 a chance soon... right now I'm digging on Saygun's quartet, every nice...
    So, things are all going to get better from here on? That's an optimist. I agree that music is like religion; no use in trying to convert a Catholic to the darkness. Then, on the other hand, this duality makes them particularly vulnerable when the Devil comes knock-knock-knocking at their door. Haa haa ha!
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    "We only become what we are by the radical and deep-seated refusal of that which others have made us." -Jean-Paul Sartre

    "I don't mind dying, as long as I can still breathe." ---Me

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    So many rainbows, yet so much reductionism...

    Yes, if I wanted to let negative feelings be amplified by music, now would be a good time to do that. I have plenty of reasons right now to get that way. If I spoke about them someone might say I'm a pessimist. There's really no difference except what I choose to reveal or not.
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    I saw new posts here , hoping to find something I could respond to.

    Not sure what all this dark/death words is all about.

    Lets try to refocus and stay within the masters genius.

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    The Seventh Symphony, sometimes called "The Suicide Symphony." Discuss. Come on, man, they say that Pettersson was brutally honest. Let's get down to it.
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    "I don't mind dying, as long as I can still breathe." ---Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post
    So many rainbows, yet so much reductionism...

    Yes, if I wanted to let negative feelings be amplified by music, now would be a good time to do that. I have plenty of reasons right now to get that way. If I spoke about them someone might say I'm a pessimist. There's really no difference except what I choose to reveal or not.
    Ah, yes, and there's the crux: what one chooses to reveal! To be, or not to be. To deny, or not to deny; to live a fantasy, or live a reality. Somebody better call a doctor!!@!
    "The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
    -Confucious

    "In Spring! In the creation of art it must be as it is in Spring!" -Arnold Schoenberg

    "We only become what we are by the radical and deep-seated refusal of that which others have made us." -Jean-Paul Sartre

    "I don't mind dying, as long as I can still breathe." ---Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Ah, yes, and there's the crux: what one chooses to reveal! To be, or not to be. To deny, or not to deny; to live a fantasy, or live a reality. Somebody better call a doctor!!@!
    They're too busy finding other diseases for their cures...

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    The Seventh Symphony, sometimes called "The Suicide Symphony." Discuss. Come on, man, they say that Pettersson was brutally honest. Let's get down to it.
    He may have been straight up, but like every great, truly great that is, (not propagandized great), like all others,,he hid from people and shunned company like the plague.
    Yeah at times composers come out their caves, but not to discuss their music with those who have no understanding...*Suicide sym*, I ain't buying,

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    He may have been straight up, but like every great, truly great that is, (not propagandized great), like all others,,he hid from people and shunned company like the plague.
    Yeah at times composers come out their caves, but not to discuss their music with those who have no understanding...*Suicide sym*, I ain't buying,
    You're a good fellow, then.
    "The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
    -Confucious

    "In Spring! In the creation of art it must be as it is in Spring!" -Arnold Schoenberg

    "We only become what we are by the radical and deep-seated refusal of that which others have made us." -Jean-Paul Sartre

    "I don't mind dying, as long as I can still breathe." ---Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    You're a good fellow, then.
    Pettersson's music is the only music in my collection which inspires me to rise to my Higher Self.
    All others are just entertainment.

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