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    Symphony No. 8 does feel like an extended meditation on a minor chord, in ways like a raga; but I don't get the same sense of peace from Pettersson as I do from Ravi Shankar. I get similar feelings with Bruckner, and parts of Mahler. So, time seems to stand still in Pettersson, or rather, run in place on an "emotional treadmill."

    As far as the "Suicide Symphony," there is nothing on WIK to back this up; and I saw that Tchaikovsky's Sixth is also called that, amid protests.

    Ironically, the reference to Pettersson's Sixth as the "Suicide Symphony" came in the liner notes to Symphony No. 8 (BIS).
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    Interesting post.

    Now I understand hy folks are drawn to Bruckner and Mahler. I do not know either's music, only in parts.
    I have a friend who is also a Petterssonian, (member of TC, but for some oddity can not post a message), he also is a Brucknerian.

    Anyway , from reading posts on Mahler threads, I gather his music evokes similar feeling tones in listeners.

    You hit the nail, on Tchaikovsky's 6th as music for *the dark night of the soul*…
    How many tears have fallen, from the countless depressed souls, while languishing in the 6th sym?
    Count me as one, wayyy back in my 1st year as a CM fan. I played the Solti/Chicago LP any/every time I felt suicidal thoughts coming on.


    Read Lalo's comment on the YT vid.


    Here is the Mravinsky, who takes it differently from Solti/Chicago(perhaps more lush and sentimental vs Mrav's strict conducting).
    Not sure which I would prefer today, with my keener, highly polished critical listening skills.
    It really does not matter , as I have no interest in Tchaikovsky.

    I grew out of my suicidal depression, so had no more desire to hear the 6th.

    Now I have Pettersson, and he will remain for the eon of the eons.
    (= this is exact trans in the bible where the idiot catholics have it as *forever and ever*, idiots)





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    Always amazing to me that a symphony with a circus march can be considered depressing...

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    Circus march, the Tchai 6th?
    Which section?
    Yet what about the highly intense emotional passages , places where the soul is deeply moved to tears and sobs? Thus I and others found music which reflected our death like state, and so we could find strength to live just ,,,one more day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post
    Always amazing to me that a symphony with a circus march can be considered depressing...
    What are you doing, philocetes, trying to explode the "suicide symphony" paradigm we've been working on here? Spoilsport!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbest View Post
    Circus march, the Tchai 6th?
    Which section?
    Yet what about the highly intense emotional passages , places where the soul is deeply moved to tears and sobs? Thus I and others found music which reflected our death like state, and so we could find strength to live just ,,,one more day?
    Listen, maybe "death" is not all bad. Death can also mean "to submit" or surrender one's "ego," like cracking an eggshell, so that the new inner self can shine forth. This "death-like state" of "tears and sobs," as Paul Best so touchingly put it, turned out to be a good thing. He has been there, with Pettersson, with me, and with whoever has suffered deeply.
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    "I don't mind dying, just as long as I can still breathe." -Me

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    Well all man is in a state of suffering, Not 1 TC member is exempt from that event, universal as it is.
    take france, The proper, real and true title to that land is , The Egregious Downcasts. The lost and wandering soulless.
    Pettersson is THE composer for the Yellow Vesters. He is their voice, speaks their language.
    Yet they know not.
    I recall the graffiti post Katrina in New Orleans, I-10 RR bridge at the City park exit, heading west from downtown....
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    I thought,,,in one word, no other

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