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    I have the 7th symphony paired with the 11th. The 11th comes as quite a shock with all that noisy dissonance after the lyrical, approachable, moving 7th.
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    Pettersson played the viola, appropriately. The viola is a wonderful instrument, but all too often it is pushed to the side by the violin, and is relegated to playing uninteresting middle supporting voices. Pettersson was likewise pushed to the side by brighter stars. It is his sheer tenacity which amazes me; his gargantuan effort to redefine himself, regardless of the hand he was dealt. A shining example of the aspiring human spirit, triumphing over the naked, conquering monkey aggression of "winning."

    "Life is a sport," they all seem to say, but Pettersson knew better. He remains in darkness, shunning the garish light of the arena. Let's hear it for the losers!

    "There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all." -Bob Dylan
    "The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
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    "In Spring! In the creation of art it must be as it is in Spring!" -Arnold Schoenberg

    "We only become what we are by the radical and deep-seated refusal of that which others have made us." -Jean-Paul Sartre

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    It's still better than double bass.
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    The 7th Symphony is very good. It should be better known. For sure, the best introduction to Pettersson.

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    Yes. I've been preaching that fact on TC for about 3 weeks now. A very moving and accessible symphony is the Pettersson 7th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    - Symphony 6 I think in the old Kamu recording (am not able to check the assumption right now; I much prefer Kamu to the CPO, but haven´t heard the BIS)
    I haven't heard the Kamu but the BIS makes the CPO look like a near-travesty, tbh. I just got the BIS 9th today, and I'm turning off the computer now...
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    In 2018 BIS will release a complete box set edition of Allan Pettersson’s symphony cycle as conducted by Christian Lindberg with the Norrköping Symphony Orchestra.

    2018 is too damn far away!

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    Pettersson is truly one of the greatest expressionists who ever lived. I place him next to Mahler, Shostakovitch, Sibelius, Schoenberg, Schnittke and Beethoven. I can assure you his name will rise in the future, precisely because, like Mahler, there is much substance and originality in his music.

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    What of Petterson's work should I get to know? I've heard symphony 6, 13 and 16 a while ago, though I haven't familiarized myself yet.

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    I suppose if I've gotten the hang of Shostakovich Symphony no. 4, some Pettersson symphonies are not a far cry away. Shostakovich's best orchestral work benefits from very slow development involving many instrument groups(some contemporaries saw that as a weak point and hated him for it, but it seems to be a big part of why he succeeded in serving his symphonies to a much wider audience than anyone else), even when he's at his most dissonant and coarse.

    I did try a few of Pettersson's Symphonies a while ago and found a lot of interest in them, but couldn't find it in myself to listen all the way through one. Any that you particularly think could gain recognition in the general repertoire if performed more? (Nielsen symphonies have come long ways in the international repertoire, as have certain orchestral works of Martinu, for example. So any of Pettersson's seem likely to do that?)
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    Of his symphonies, I still enjoy the 7th the most: a harrowing, unrelenting, 40-minute portent. But the 2nd violin concerto may be my favorite work of his overall. While it may meander a bit, the concerto is a powerful journey that culminates in one of the most emotional endings that I know. I can't really make sense of how Pettersson himself envisioned the work to be, though:

    A human being tries to hind his inner reality; he flees from the outer reality, controlled by the image of man, the perfect robot, where the idea of the human being is erased for the sake if ideologies manifesting themselves in homicide, fratricide, Cain and Abel again and again. In this nocturnal landscape, in which actor and observer are one and the same person, as in the unreality of a dream in which words cannot be spoken, within this human reserve, a song is heard, played by a violin with a noble tone, bearing the fingerprints of a human being; a lonely being seeking deliverance from the threatening outer collective. The cynic calls this escapism, but the little human being who does not at all believe in himself and does not understand the fine words only knows that he is endangered and there are no words for this. But the idea of the human being is not his own idea -- and therefore it is indestructible.
    For some variety, also try the Schubertian Barefoot Songs and his solemn Mesto for String Orchestra.

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    Hey! It's Summer! We're not supposed to be listening to Pettersson until Winter sets in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Marchant View Post
    Unfortunately it makes for unrewarding symphonies, the concept of symphonies being the integration of opposites, or at least of a variety of types of music.

    I think it is also important to recognise that the music is not about anger, despair etc in general, or in other people. It is about Pettersson's anger and despair and his truly tragic inability to rise above it, instead, like Sisyphus, condemned forever to repeat it. It's a sort of artistic self-harm. There's a saying amongst the first nations people in W Canada that one shouldn't tell a story more than three times. By continually repeating himself, he reinforces his negative beliefs and digs ever deeper ruts he cannot get out.
    He should have read "Self Matters" by Dr. Phil, and re-wrote his inner dialogue. Then he would have been "healthy" and come out of that nasty ol' artistic darkness! Then everybody could hold hands and sing 'Kumbaya.' Ain't that right, Morimur?
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    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    This seems as good a time as any to remind all of us that music is about sounds, not about autobiography. It seems that though TresPicos and Jeremy Marchant disagree about Pettersson's music, they have both been equally seduced by his biography.
    That might work for that electronic stuff you listen to, some guy, but not with Pettersson. We're all waiting for the movie to come out! Oh, God, he was so sexy!
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    Pettersson is kinda like a smaller, skinnier, more sickly John Williams, only much darker than Star Wars. It's like if the aliens had won the war, and we're all in a dungeon.

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