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    I have been listening to a lot of Schubert lately, mostly the symphonies and the piano music. I've been falling in love with his music again after the better part of a year not listening to him much at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I have been listening to a lot of Schubert lately, mostly the symphonies and the piano music. I've been falling in love with his music again after the better part of a year not listening to him much at all.
    What Symphonies do you like other than the famous ones like 5, 8-9?
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    What Symphonies do you like other than the famous ones like 5, 8-9?
    3 and 4 (the "Tragic") are both great. Check out the Kleiber/Vienna recording of the 3rd symphony, if you can, it's awesome. I also recently realized that the 1st symphony is quite good too, in a Haydnesque way. 2 and 6 are both quite good too, but I don't have as much love for them. Check out the Roy Goodman/Hanover Band recordings if you can, they are really amazing, especially in the earlier symphonies. I've heard good things about the Harnoncourt/Concertgebouw cycle too. Schubert's symphonies, I think, benefit from at least somewhat of a HIP perspective.

    My favorites remain 8 and 9, of course, especially 8, mostly for nostalgic reasons. Both are damn fine symphonies, to stand up to anyone's.

    I want to get a CD of the Impromptus to complement the Schnabel I have, which is great, but slightly rough sound. I'm looking at Lupu, Perahia, and Kempff. Of the samples I heard I was most impressed with the Kempff... any opinions, anyone? I think the impromptus are the key to Schubert's piano music.

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    Schnabel’s very good in that music, it’s certainly one of his recordings I like the most, I can send you a good Japanese transfer if you want. It sounds fine to me. Of the ones you mentioned, I remember that there are some memorable things in Lupu, especially the second set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I have been listening to a lot of Schubert lately, mostly the symphonies and the piano music. I've been falling in love with his music again after the better part of a year not listening to him much at all.

    Have you ever tried the Mass section in his work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I have been listening to a lot of Schubert lately, mostly the symphonies and the piano music. I've been falling in love with his music again after the better part of a year not listening to him much at all.
    Listen to the song cycles again "Die Winterreise" or "Die Schöne Müllerin". I would recommend the Album of Dietrich Fischer Dieskau , accompanied by Alfred Brendel in 1986 (Winterreise) and "Die Schöne Müllerin" where he is accompanied by Brendel and Andras Schiff (Arthaus 2012)
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    Mi favorite work is "symphonies Complete" by Karajan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    Schnabel’s very good in that music, it’s certainly one of his recordings I like the most, I can send you a good Japanese transfer if you want. It sounds fine to me. Of the ones you mentioned, I remember that there are some memorable things in Lupu, especially the second set.
    He is, no doubt, and I enjoy it a lot. I just sometimes want to hear something in more modern sound. I think the transfer I have is fine. It's a recording from later in his career, so it's not nearly as rough as the sound on some of his Beethoven sonatas recordings. Lupu sounds promising, but I know nothing of him as a pianist.

    @Rogerx, no I have not heard any of his masses, but I just got a free Naxos download with Mass no.5 in A-flat major the other day. Need to check that out.

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    I have the symphonies, and masses on Brilliant Classics. And the sonatas by Christian Zacharaias, and Impromtus by Maria Joao Pires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    He is, no doubt, and I enjoy it a lot. I just sometimes want to hear something in more modern sound. I think the transfer I have is fine. It's a recording from later in his career, so it's not nearly as rough as the sound on some of his Beethoven sonatas recordings. Lupu sounds promising, but I know nothing of him as a pianist.

    @Rogerx, no I have not heard any of his masses, but I just got a free Naxos download with Mass no.5 in A-flat major the other day. Need to check that out.
    Lupu’s Schubert is refined and introspective, his impromptus recording is one of his better Schubert ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I want to get a CD of the Impromptus to complement the Schnabel I have, which is great, but slightly rough sound. I'm looking at Lupu, Perahia, and Kempff. Of the samples I heard I was most impressed with the Kempff... any opinions, anyone? I think the impromptus are the key to Schubert's piano music.
    Lupu is indeed quite interesting, but I think he sort of lingers too much over these pieces in order to make them more "profound" than they are. I quite like what he does in his Brahms album, but that style isn't as convincing for me in Schubert. I like to hear Schubert played in a classical, balanced way that brings out the music's inherent radiant beauty. Have you heard Krystian Zimerman in anything before? He's one of my favorite pianists, but not everyone appreciates his playing because it can be so fussy and perfectionist. Every last detail of his interpretations is planned to the T. He's worth hearing in the Impromptus to see if he floats your boat or not (though my favorite work of his is his Debussy Preludes, Chopin Ballades, and Liszt Sonata; which I consider definitive readings of those works). Otherwise Brendel is my favorite "safe" pick for the Impromptus- I find him more convincing in these miniatures than in the sonatas where structure is more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    Lupu is indeed quite interesting, but I think he sort of lingers too much over these pieces in order to make them more "profound" than they are. I quite like what he does in his Brahms album, but that style isn't as convincing for me in Schubert. I like to hear Schubert played in a classical, balanced way that brings out the music's inherent radiant beauty. Have you heard Krystian Zimerman in anything before? He's one of my favorite pianists, but not everyone appreciates his playing because it can be so fussy and perfectionist. Every last detail of his interpretations is planned to the T. He's worth hearing in the Impromptus to see if he floats your boat or not (though my favorite work of his is his Debussy Preludes, Chopin Ballades, and Liszt Sonata; which I consider definitive readings of those works). Otherwise Brendel is my favorite "safe" pick for the Impromptus- I find him more convincing in these miniatures than in the sonatas where structure is more important.
    I like Zimerman’s recording of the Grieg Piano Concerto, but I haven’t heard much else. I’ll check out his Schubert. Thanks. Interesting notes re: Lupu. I have heard others make similar points about Schubert’s impromptus and their perceived depth.

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    Fun video here, watch his face! I've only ever seen him twice, both in the past 10 years, I don't remember such a show of body language!



    In my experience, Joyce Hatto is always a good guide. Her Schubert impromptus, or some of them, were by Michel Delbarto, and I've just been listening to his D946 on Denon. The sound, just at the level of the sound, is amazing! It's like he's here in the room tickling the ivories just for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post


    In my experience, Joyce Hatto is always a good guide. Her Schubert impromptus, or some of them, were by Michel Delbarto, and I've just been listening to his D946 on Denon. The sound, just at the level of the sound, is amazing! It's like he's here in the room tickling the ivories just for me!
    Were these recordings ever reissued in the wake of Hatto's recordings being exposed as a fraud? That is still a mind boggling story to me.

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    Yes, 14 CDs in a big Brilliant box.

    Re Hatto, I think that William Barrington-Coupe's taste in pianists often coincided with mine, and I've rarely been let down by his choices. When I was really exploring the piano repertoire this site was great fun -- I would always try to hear the original Hatto pianists

    http://www.farhanmalik.com/hatto/main.html
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