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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    I beg to differ. For me the outstanding pieces in his repertoire (and he is a top 5 composer for me) are his unfinished symphony, his string quintet, Die Winterreise, the Octet, the impromptus and the string quartet Der Tod und das Maedchen. The 9th symphony does not do it for me - I even prefer 3,5 and 6 over it.
    Ah well!

    The 9th does it for me and does it like no other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meaghan View Post
    I have been exploring Winterreise the last few days. I checked out a score from the library and have been playing it and singing it (only when no one is around to hear me ) and I am utterly bewitched. I'm even having dreams about it, which is a little disquieting. But it is such riveting music, even though I usually tend to roll my eyes a bit at the "Oh-woe-is-me" protagonists of German Romantic poetry. I just can't believe that I didn't hear this cycle for the first time until recently, or that I formed an opinion of Schubert without being familiar with it.
    Now, the magic of Schubert descend upon you.. Winterreise is the pinnacle of his art, the greatest song cycle ever written.. One of the highest expression of romantic idea, Winterreise is breathtaking.

    The last song, Hurdy-Gurdy Man still haunts me since I heard it years ago.

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    I would suggest this wonderful recording of Schubert's Sonata for Arpeggione. 3 Cello Sonatas: Boccherini, Schubert, Debussy - Denis Shapovalov, cello

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    Quote Originally Posted by TresPicos View Post
    Even though he's so famous, I still think Schubert is underrated, usually dismissed as too light or too sweet or too immature, and unjustly shoved away into the shadow of the "great" Beethoven. In my opinion, the "average" Schubert symphony surpasses the "average" Beethoven symphony, immature or not.
    I have to wonder why Schubert's fans are so adamant about comparing the man with Beethoven. I see this all the time on every classical forum I've frequented. Seems weird.... Personally I've yet to hear anything from the "great" Schubert that comes within a million miles of Beethoven's better works in terms of quality (I've listened to all of Schubert's most well-known compositions).

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    I have to wonder why Schubert's fans are so adamant about comparing the man with Beethoven. I see this all the time on every classical forum I've frequented. Seems weird.... Personally I've yet to hear anything from the "great" Schubert that comes within a million miles of Beethoven's better works in terms of quality (I've listened to all of Schubert's most well-known compositions).

    Obviously a hearing impairment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curiosity View Post
    I have to wonder why Schubert's fans are so adamant about comparing the man with Beethoven. I see this all the time on every classical forum I've frequented. Seems weird.... Personally I've yet to hear anything from the "great" Schubert that comes within a million miles of Beethoven's better works in terms of quality (I've listened to all of Schubert's most well-known compositions).
    The comparison is obviously because of the period in history that they both shared. In terms of quality, I think both composers perfected a similar level of technical mastery, it just depends on what kind of style you want. If you want fragile lyrical beauty - something that really penetrates the soul - then Schubert will never let you down. If you want to bash yourself on the skull, cracking it like an egg, then Beethoven's your man.

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    His Cello Quintet is in that highest echelon of music, right with the late Beethoven quartets, Diabelli Variations and a few Symphonies (in my opinion).

    The last 2 string quartets, piano quintet, sonata arpeggione and Schoene Mullerin are also fantastic. I found die Winterreise to be a bit underwhelming (too much hype surrounding it before I listened perhaps), but still a gorgeous piece of music nonetheless.

    And I still have yet to explore the symphonies, piano sonatas, lieder, and choral works!

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    You've named my favorite chamber works, but I would also include the Swan Song cycle, the late piano sonatas and the unfinished symphony.

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    Curiosity, I don't know who you are, but I want to know how you reach into my head and pull out my thoughts.

    Hopefully we can bash John Cage together sometime.

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    'Trout' Piano Quintet and the 'Death and the Maiden' String Quartet destroy anything Beethoven composed for piano or strings.
    Last edited by CaptainAzure; Aug-02-2011 at 19:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAzure View Post
    Piano Quintet and the 'Death and the Maiden' String Quartet destroy anything Beethoven composed for piano or strings.
    That's a very bold statement, but I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAzure View Post
    'Trout' Piano Quintet and the 'Death and the Maiden' String Quartet destroy anything Beethoven composed for piano or strings.

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    It's tantalising to wonder as to whether he had a couple of piano concertos in him had he lived longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis View Post
    That's a very bold statement, but I agree with you.
    A bold statement indeed. However, I disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhaBandit View Post
    Interesting... I saw this thread while listening to Andsnes' and Bostridge's Winterreise. Bostridge really gives a quite a tortured performance.

    I've always like Schubert because he was the most melodic of the Classical/Romantic transition figures. While you can enjoy Beethoven for his development of motives, Schubert always gets you humming a tune. This is likely why Schubert's lieder are much better than Ludwig Van's (to quote Alex from A Clockwork Orange).

    While I love his chamber music and, to a lesser extent, his symphonies, I particularly enjoy his solo piano works. Both the Impromptus and the Wanderer Fantasie seem to perpetually appear in my CD player.
    Yeah, that "Ode to Joy" theme. So difficult to remember! Almost as abstract and difficult as the 2nd movement of Pathetique and the 2nd movement of the Emperor concerto! Thank god Schubert was around to write all those catchy melodies. If only Beethoven could have learned from Schubert how to write music that people love! lol...

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