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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    Yes Bach had quite the variety. Nonetheless, I was mainly talking about the Concertos. I love concertos of Baroque but it can get repetitive as I mentioned. And the understanding of music theory is huge for this period to know exactly what to do. I'm not trying to act like an expert on this. I just go by from what I hear. And it seems like the Romantic Period branched out more to get more sounds.
    The concertos, especially good ol' Vivaldi's concertos, do get repetitive. But that doesn't mean you can go and generalize an entire era, especially if you were only referring to concertos (without even pointing out that you were). Also, if concertos are the only experiences you've had with the Baroque, then you really need to listen to more music from this era.

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    Methinks this topic isn't that interesting...

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    Everything is interesting as long as I get to troll and school people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodecaplex View Post
    The concertos, especially good ol' Vivaldi's concertos, do get repetitive. But that doesn't mean you can go and generalize an entire era, especially if you were only referring to concertos (without even pointing out that you were). Also, if concertos are the only experiences you've had with the Baroque, then you really need to listen to more music from this era.
    What pieces do you suggest for more versatility from the Baroque era? And Concertos are a pretty big part of classical music.

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    I'm more interested in why a metalhead (I don't mean that in a derogative way) would be more drawn to this:



    Rather than this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    What pieces do you suggest for more versatility from the Baroque era? And Concertos are a pretty big part of classical music.
    Start with Bach's St. Matthew Passion, if you haven't heard it already. It tends to satisfy just about everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    I'm more interested in why a metalhead (I don't mean that in a derogative way) would be more drawn to this . . . Rather than this . . .
    Maybe they haven't known about it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    I'm more interested in why a metalhead (I don't mean that in a derogative way) would be more drawn to this:



    Rather than this:

    I'm not a metalhead. I have pretty short hair. I listen to a lot of progressive rock (Pink Floyd and The Moody Blues), classic rock (Boston, Styx), guitar virtuosos (Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore), and etc. When I do listen to Metal, I prefer it to be more on the melodic side. @Dodecaplex I'll definitely check that out. Thanks for the suggestion.

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    You're welcome

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    Not sure this was mentioned but Baroque music can often sound 'romantic' because in the hands of someone like Bach it is so highly chromatic and has a fast harmonic rhythm, i.e. chords change on almost every pulse - chromatic = color, it gives it more density when compared with the clear, folky tunes and homophonic textures (i.e. slow harmonic rhythm) of the Enlightenment styles.

    Edit: also occurred to me that the often monumental character of a lot of Baroque music gives it a dramatic edge - listen to any of the arias from Handel's Julius Caesar - again, as compared to the simple tunes over an Alberti Bass of the Pre-Classical. This dramatic edge is, psychologically, tons more 'romantic'.
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    A healthy and open minded music lover should explore everything from Orlando Gibbons to Xenakis

    While I personally agree, and I love music from Byzantine chant through Muddy Waters, I don't think that we can portray someone who specializes in one musical style or genre or era as "unhealthy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    I'm more interested in why a metalhead (I don't mean that in a derogative way) would be more drawn to this:



    Rather than this:

    Although neoshredder has already replied, I'd just like to say metal isn't really about dissonance and harshness, besides some extreme sub-genres far removed from the roots. More than jazz or rock, I strongly feel it has a strict sense of order, and somewhat aristocratic ambitions (I actually see this as a flaw). Most metalheads I've met almost exclusively like classical up until the Romantic era, and little to nothing after. (There are exceptions, of course.)
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    Pink Floyd and the Moody Blues are hardly progressive. Try some Gentle Giant, King Crimson, and Zappa.

    BTW dude, that Bartok movement is great! I gotta get back into my Alban Berg set on EMI.

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    Having just supplied some 'beautiful' baroque arias in another thread, I can think of no better argument to show how incredibly expressive and directly emotional some Baroque music is than letting it speak for itself.

    Haendel (arguably one of the most 'expressive' - and 'emotional' of the Baroque composers, if not THE most.)
    two arias from "Rinaldo"
    Caro sposa -- with the tremendous musicianship of Nathalie Stutzmann:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmxi4IQ3d4U

    Lascia ch'io pianga ~ Ewa Mallas Godlewska:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJx5G89kGic


    Nicolo Porpora ~ polifemo; "Alto Giove"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_7px9n5kNE

    Henry Purcell ~ Dido's Lament:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePdic5HLb-U


    It really does not, cannot, get more 'emotional' than that... not in any greater degree, but what can be is something as emotional to the same degree, achieved by other musical means.

    Most neophytes are first impressed with the 'emotion' of mid-to late romantic repertoire not because it is the 'only' or most 'emotional' music, but simply because it is the most commonly consumed by general audiences. It is also more knock you over the head with a mallet theatrically 'spectacular' - which could be translated as inferring it is more 'obvious.'

    The late renaissance and baroque, and the romantic eras are all historically known as periods where 'ethos' - emotion, gut reaction to things, was the prevalent aesthetic.
    The classical era -- and some of the modern era -- are known as the eras where the predominant aesthetic was 'logos' - reason, i.e. restraint, and balance.

    That is why it is more than ironic to me that you named music from two of the eras best known for their fullness of emotional expressiveness. The only thing one could contrast, really, is the technical means composers from each era went about it, and perhaps with a dash added in discussion at tothe general mind-set of the general population of each period.

    Baroque - from the
    Definition of BAROQUE, from the online Merriam-Webster dictionary -- the italics are mine.
    1
    : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a style of artistic expression prevalent especially in the 17th century that is marked generally by use of complex forms, bold ornamentation, and the juxtaposition of contrasting elements often conveying a sense of drama, movement, and tension
    2
    : characterized by grotesqueness, extravagance, complexity, or flamboyance
    3
    : irregularly shaped —used of gems <a baroque pearl>

    Any and all of those elements were often put to the service of emotional expression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    What pieces do you suggest for more versatility from the Baroque era? And Concertos are a pretty big part of classical music.
    The selection of arias I have posted in this thread.

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