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    There´s a notorious sound clip with Toscanini shouting "iiiiiiiiiignoraaantiii !!!!" etc. etc. out to his whole orchestra and very little time of actual rehearsal of Strauss. I don´t get most of the words here, a mixture of Italian and English, but he certainly seems furious and is even bashing something/"someone" (6:45).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxh-o9ENW5o
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    Interesting how the conversation's started drifting away a bit. Nevertheless, such is the rule more than an exception in this forum !
    So I contribute myself to the flow. This is a clip of Dr. Klemperer raging at one of the members in the orchestra. It's especially funny if one concentrates on his odd word choice on top of his awkward pose at the podium.
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    Asking which conductor is like Furtwängler is no less silly than asking which composer is like Beethoven, or which poet is like Keats: and, even if it were possible, I would not want another Furtwängler - I would want a different conductor, great in his own way.
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    Don't forget the great Eugen Jochum (1902- 1987 ), who was not only an admirer but a friend of
    Furtwangler . Jochum was definitely in the Furtwangler tradition, though very much his own man
    as a conductor .
    His conducting was not generally "slow", except for some of his later performnces towrd the end of
    his life . Furtwangler was also not nearly as slow as many of his detractors have claimed .
    In fact, both conductors often chose highly propulsive and impetuous tempi .
    Both were among the greatest masters of the Bruckner symphonies , and Jochum recorded the 9
    numbered symphonies twice, first divided between the Berlin Phil. and the Bavarian RSO for DG,
    and later with the Staatskapelle, Dresden for EMI .
    Jochum made some deservedly acclaimed recordings of the Brahms symphonies , the twp piano
    concertos with Emil Giilels . Die Meistersinger for DG with the late,great Fischer-Dieskau ,
    Carmina Burana under the composer's supervision for DG , etc.
    Jochum founded the Bavarian Radio symphony in Munich , and had close relationships with the Berlin Phil,
    Concertgebouw orchestra ,etc, and enjoyed a long and distinguished career .
    Unlike Szell, Reiner nd Toscanini , Jochum was a genial , esy going and good-natured man, and revered by orchestras
    all over Europe .

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    The only conductor which sometimes reminds me of Furtwängler is Franz Konwitschny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindnerianSea View Post


    I have always found Klemperer to be amazing, but at the end of the day he is a 'classicist'.

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    Whoa... Somehow, that's never clicked with me until now but I think it's true. I always visualized Klemperer as one of the great "arch-Romantic" conductors in the vein of Furtwängler, but that's just not right—at the end of the day, he was a classicist. That's why he was such a great conductor of Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, and Bach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindnerianSea View Post
    Interesting how the conversation's started drifting away a bit. Nevertheless, such is the rule more than an exception in this forum !
    So I contribute myself to the flow. This is a clip of Dr. Klemperer raging at one of the members in the orchestra. It's especially funny if one concentrates on his odd word choice on top of his awkward pose at the podium.
    This was an amazing clip. It hit home with that realization. Thanks! Of course, I have heard that moralist/immoralist quote before and probably even quoted it myself, but it's great to have it straight from the horse's mouth.
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    i think Bernstein falls in that category.
    Not afraid to take chances and infuses the work with emotion.
    He is also very animated on the podium. So my vote is Lenny.

    I also think Furty is the greatest first half of the 20th century conductor and i think Lenny is the greatest second half conductor of the 20th century.
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    Apparently, Wyn Morris was once called the "Celtic Furtwängler". From what I've heard of his conducting, he seems to remind me more of a Blomstedt than a Furtwängler, but he is good.

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    I would agree that Jochum shares some similarities with Furtwangler. I've always considered Golovanov as a sort of Russian Furtwangler as well, in that he turned in highly idiosyncratic performances and took wild liberties with the score on a regular basis. However, the only conductor exactly like Furtwangler was Furtwangler himself.

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    I don't think anyone comes close enough but is that so important?

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    I think the conductor closest to Furtwengler was Knappertsbusch.

    Toscanini, on the contrary, is his antipode. Even more so than Karajan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincula View Post
    The only conductor which sometimes reminds me of Furtwängler is Franz Konwitschny.

    Regards,

    Vincula
    Konwitschny's tempo choices were always middle of the road and he seems rather classicist to me, cf. his Beethoven. Best one I heard was Bruckner's 4th with Gewandhaus, stereo. But it's not a particularly spiritually loaded or idiosyncratic performance, just elegant, such as in the Scherzo.

    Side remark: early Furtwängler, such as in the 40s, can have very fast and/or flexible tempi.
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    Hermann Abendroth.

    His performances could be pretty wild and wooly like Furtwängler's, with the same variable tempi and a great feeling for musical form and structure.
    His Leipzig Bruckner (terrific 4th and 5th!) challenges Furtwängler in intensity.


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    Yes, Abendroth is probably the closest, also Mengelberg. Both are often "like Furtwängler, but faster". Abendroth's Schubert 8+9 as well as Schumann 4th and some Beethoven are also worth seeking out.

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