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    Hi! So, I ran across this video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTHDNJmC_Jc

    It's a part of Die Walküre, and all the info there is about this recording on the video description is that it's by Karajan with the Berlin Philarmonic. Would someone know more about this particular recording?
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    If the information on the video is correct, then it's Karajan's 1966 recording with the Berlin Phil, with Regine Crespin as Brünnhilde and Thomas Stewart as Wotan.

    (No, I don't have an encyclopedic memory - but there's a lovely website comes up if you google 'wagner discography'. )

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    Indeed, I did google for that, and I got to the site, but for some reason, I couldn't go beyond the first page of viewing the discography itself, and me being very new into this genre made it quite difficult to find. Thanks for your answer!

    Would it be the one with Fischer-Dieskau?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volve View Post
    Indeed, I did google for that, and I got to the site, but for some reason, I couldn't go beyond the first page of viewing the discography itself, and me being very new into this genre made it quite difficult to find. Thanks for your answer!

    Would it be the one with Fischer-Dieskau?
    I had the same problem. But I discovered if you right-click "Next" and then "Open in new tab", you get the list of all the productions.

    When I click on the link to the whole Cycle, it's giving me Fischer-Dieskau singing Wotan in Das Rheingold, but Thomas Stewart in Die Walküre and Siegfried. It's not a recording I know at all, I'm afraid. I'm not a big Karajan fan when it comes to Wagner.

    ETA: There's a review here - http://www.wagnerdiscography.com/rev...n66karajan.htm
    Last edited by Adeodatus100; Jul-19-2013 at 17:39. Reason: New evidence!

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    Thanks, I found the set on Amazon, reasonably priced. I liked most of the cast, but wasn't very excited to have the same guy sing Wotan and Gunther. I am completely unfamiliar with Karajan's conducting, I have only head his Don Giovanni. After reading Nilsson's book, I was slightly biased towards him, but those 10 minutes from Walküre in the video made quite an impression. I might just give it a go, I'm having the need to variate from Solti's Ring now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volve View Post
    Thanks, I found the set on Amazon, reasonably priced. I liked most of the cast, but wasn't very excited to have the same guy sing Wotan and Gunther. I am completely unfamiliar with Karajan's conducting, I have only head his Don Giovanni. After reading Nilsson's book, I was slightly biased towards him, but those 10 minutes from Walküre in the video made quite an impression. I might just give it a go, I'm having the need to variate from Solti's Ring now.
    Well, I think the standard criticism of Solti is that he sacrifices everything else to the big dramatic moments. The standard criticism of Karajan is that he makes the music beautiful to the detriment of the drama. I'm sure both criticisms are exaggerated, but it sounds like you might find Karajan a good contrast.

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    That's what I'm hoping for, some moments Solti nails perfectly, specially with building up tension and releasing it with mind-blowing fury, but some other moments, feel like could be done better, with more liricism and softness, particulary Walkürie's first act. Not to mention that I really can't listen to his Rheingold, it pains me to say so, but I'm not liking Flagstad on that recording. How would you say the Boulez video recording sits in with these two?
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    Well I'd never say Boulez is lyrical. Thrilling, frantic even, but with some surprisingly delicate orchestral playing at times. Obviously check out some online samples, but if I was thinking 'lyrical', I'd have a look at Marek Janowski's 1980s Cycle. It has its faults - some people don't like Jeannine Alymeyer's Brünnhilde, and his brass section is sometimes not so much weak as absent.

    Before you commit, why not flick through the "Wagner on cd" thread here, or the "Old wagner recordings" thread on the main Opera board? And I'd always check out as many samples as possible - do you have access to Spotify, for instance?

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    Spotify isn't available in Brasil yet. I already have the Boulez Ring, I got it as a gift. However I've only seen the first two operas so far. I do like Altmeyer from what I've seen of her Sieglinde, but I wouldn't have guessed that she had the voice to sing Brunnhilde! She sounded so lyrical on that recording! I'll be going after some more samples of both Karajan's and Janowski's recordings. I already don't like Thomas Stewart in his role that much. From what I've heard of his singing, I quite enjoyed his interpretation, but I can't picture him as Wotan, the voice doesn't quite match the character. I am, however, very interested in hearing Fischer-Dieskau as Wotan. I admire his work greatly, and I've heard him singing Leb Wohl. Quite different, but the good kind of different. The thing about the brass in Janowski's, however, is quite a negative for me, the brass section is always my favorite in Wagner's works. :P
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    I wouldn't want to overstate any shortcomings of the Janowski: I think it really is a very good recording. Janowski's less showy conducting, together with the smaller orchestra, mean that you'll hear details in the music that are rare in any other recording. There are a very few extracts on youtube. Here's Siegfried's Rhine Journey, with just a few seconds of Altmeyer (and Rene Kollo) at the beginning -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSObqJQkiNk

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    I have the Karajan Ring and I think it's amazing.

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    I was on my way to order the Karajan Ring, and was met by a surprise. The ring on Amazon is $126. But the taxes to bring it into Brasil sent the price up to around $400. I'll be putting that ring on hold, might spend some time with Boulez for now. But thanks for the interesting conversation and inputs
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    I don't know why the Karajan Ring remains so expensive. It's a crowded, very competitive field and it seems to defy logic that this is going at such an inflated price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volve View Post
    I was on my way to order the Karajan Ring, and was met by a surprise. The ring on Amazon is $126. But the taxes to bring it into Brasil sent the price up to around $400. I'll be putting that ring on hold, might spend some time with Boulez for now. But thanks for the interesting conversation and inputs
    400 dollars!!!1
    That's really a sin.
    How awful.

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