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    1) Ariadne auf Naxos
    2) Die Frau ohne Schatten
    The rest at number 3.

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    For those of a soccer disposition!!

    Premier league

    Capriccio
    Elektra
    Ariadne
    Die Frau
    Salome
    Der Rosenkavalier

    Championship

    Arabella
    Aegyptische Helena
    Daphne
    Der Liebe der Danae

    Division One

    Guntram
    Schweigsame Frau
    Friedenstag
    Intermezzo
    Feuersnot

    The first six are interchangeable according to my mood but all six are indispensable to the Strauss oeuvre. The rest have their moments, some of them exceptionally fine moments, but, even for an avid Straussian like myself, not enough of them to propel them up through the divisions.
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    I have ever only seen and heard two Strauss operas:

    Die Frau ohne Schatten was weird, but I liked it. (I watched this one)

    Capriccio was very boring and it just ended without ever giving the answer (or did I miss it?). (I watched this one)
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    1) Arabella

    2) Rosenkavalier

    3) Salome

    4) Ariadne

    5) Capriccio
    Last edited by Lensky; Aug-26-2016 at 05:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lensky View Post
    1) Arabella

    2) Rosenkavalier

    3) Salome

    4) Ariadne

    5) Capriccio
    To misquote Meatloaf, four out of five ain't bad!!
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    For those of a soccer disposition!!

    Premier league

    Capriccio
    Elektra
    Ariadne
    Die Frau
    Salome
    Der Rosenkavalier

    Championship

    Arabella
    Aegyptische Helena
    Daphne
    Der Liebe der Danae

    Division One

    Guntram
    Schweigsame Frau
    Friedenstag
    Intermezzo
    Feuersnot

    The first six are interchangeable according to my mood but all six are indispensable to the Strauss oeuvre. The rest have their moments, some of them exceptionally fine moments, but, even for an avid Straussian like myself, not enough of them to propel them up through the divisions.
    Think you got this just about right. I rarely listen to Salome or Electra on the hifi but they are two of the best operas I've ever seen in the theatre. Der Rosenkavalier I'd probably rank no.1. Just glorious music from beginning to end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan davis View Post
    Think you got this just about right. I rarely listen to Salome or Electra on the hifi but they are two of the best operas I've ever seen in the theatre. Der Rosenkavalier I'd probably rank no.1. Just glorious music from beginning to end.
    Yeah, some days Rosenkavalier is my favourite.
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    1. Salomé. The final scene, where she kisses Jokanaan’s head, sends shivers down my spine – the scene is horrifying but the music is beautiful.
    2. Ariadne auf Naxos. The commedia dell’arte and opera seria elements don’t gel as well as they could, but it’s one of Strauss’s most accessible scores, thanks to the chamber-sized orchestra and the delicacy of the scoring.
    3. Der Rosenkavalier. The Presentation of the Rose and the final trio are both glorious, but it drags, and the shewing up of Baron Ochs isn’t as funny as Strauss & Hofmannsthal thought.
    4. Daphne. The Transformation Music is great, and there’s some impressive music for river gods, shepherds and Apollo.
    5. Guntram. I remember liking this one – maybe not the world’s best plot, but a beautiful overture and finale.
    6. Arabella. OK, but not great - a lot of recit, & not much music.
    7. Elektra. “Weh, ganz allein” is a great aria – but I don’t like the rest of it. An emo libretto (teenage girl hates her mother, tries to seduce her sister and brother, lots of blood, darkness and death) and a heavy score make it no fun.
    8. Die Frau ohne Schatten. A weird mishmash of fairy tale, psychology and symbolism, with a convoluted score. (Trying to listen to it through TV speakers might not help.)

    I’ve heard Capriccio once, a decade ago. Undramatic, but some good music, from memory.

    A few others made no impression:
    • Feuersnot
    • Die ägyptische Helena
    • Friedenstag
    • Die schweigsame Frau
    • Die Liebe der Danae

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    I don't know them well enough to do a proper ranking. I've had trouble with Rosenkavelier and Capriccio. The other nine I've heard I have enjoyed all to some degree. Standouts for me include Elektra, Arabella, Daphne, and Ariadne
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    I have really just started to explore Strauss. I've had Der Rosenkavalier and Elektra for years, but never really listened to them. I spent a lot of time recently on Der Rosenkavalier and love it, but I am over the moon for Die Frau Ohne Schatten. What an amazing work.
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    I don't have a real ranking for Strauss. My favourite? It comes in waves. In this precise historical moment, I am crazy about Frau ohne Schatten. Conversely, I can't stand the Liebe der Danae. It's stronger than me.
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    So now I’m all in. I’ve bought 10 Strauss operas this week, LOL. I’m addicted. I’ll have to make my way through all of them, if I can get away from listening to Die Frau.
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    For me, when it's not Wagner, it's Strauss. Just so much there.

    A tip for you. Get Die Agyptische Helena, the Decca recording by Dorati.
    It's absolutely beautiful.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    A tip for you. Get Die Agyptische Helena, the Decca recording by Dorati.
    It's absolutely beautiful.
    I ordered that last night from Amazon. I read reviews that echoed what you said.
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    Only the ones that I’ve seen:
    Elektra
    Elektra
    Arabella
    Salome
    Ariadne auf Naxos
    FROSCH
    Capriccio
    Der Rosenkavalier

    (I’m aware that I’ve listed Elektra twice, and Der Rosenkavalier is a bore in all of the “comedy” scenes).
    I no longer own any recordings other than Elektra and some highlights of Rosenkavalier.
    The best version of Salome for me, is the film with Stratas.
    Last edited by MAS; Feb-23-2020 at 00:59. Reason: Forgot Ariadne!

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