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    Quote Originally Posted by katdad View Post
    Nutcracker isn't Tchaikovsky's best by a long shot.
    best or not but it's immortal too, as time has shown.

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    Nothing gets me in the Christmas spirit like the Nutcracker! Favorite numbers are Arabian Coffee and the Final Waltz /Apotheosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katdad View Post
    You all know that the Nutcracker is universally the most hated by dancers?

    Two reasons: 1- the wooden prince, who, like most male roles in a classic ballet, is used mainly as a prop to hold up or lift the female, but in Nutcracker it's worse than most. 2- it's performed to absolute death. Almost every ballet company uses Nutcracker for their Christmas program to raise funds, which generally constitute over 1/2 of the operating budget of an entire season. It's popular because of the costumes and cute animal dances and variation of the celebration (which is about 85% of the ballet anyway) but it becomes old quickly.

    The only equivalent is where classical choral groups perform Messiah either Christmas or Easter (I've sung in Messiah about 20 times) but at least the music is immortal, whereas Nutcracker isn't Tchaikovsky's best by a long shot.
    A bit of a wet blanket...well I think it's a marvellous work and marvellous music---particularly the Antal Dorati recording.
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    Also, the fact that it's holiday-related adds to its popular appeal. I think that ballet is the only art form that is virtually dominated by a single work. Everyone has seen the Nutcracker at some point, but if you ask them if they've seen any other ballets, they'll shake their heads.

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    I was watching the nutcracker the other night and liked the music. But, the rest was just awful.
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    I listened to the Nutcracker before I saw it in performance. I'll admit to regularly seeing it around Christmas-time with my family (Tomasson's production at the SF ballet). I know that it gets performed to death around that time and Tchaikovsky himself didn't like it much. But this I agree with:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burroughs View Post
    I was watching the nutcracker the other night and liked the music. But, the rest was just awful.
    Yep the Nutcracker is best enjoyed for me by listening in a dark room. No performance please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    Yep the Nutcracker is best enjoyed for me by listening in a dark room. No performance please.
    It depends on the production because it is a ballet after all.
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    I saw the Joffrey Ballet do it a few years ago and it was so beautiful
    it brought tears to my eyes.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    The Nutcracker: great ballet, though definitely not the best.

    I once saw a Russian ballet perform it... I was young then, but it was great, as I still recall.

    I couldn't sleep for six nights soon afterwards.... The music wouldn't get out of my head!!!

    Still.... The best ballet, in my opinion, is The Sleeping Beauty. It combines all the elements necessary to have a wonderful ballet: beautiful music, wonderful choreography, and a great story. The Nutcracker seems to me to lack in the "great story" aspect, and I tend to focus more on the music than on the dancing itself when I do see it....

    Just my opinion!

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    I had The Nutcracker cartoon when I was a kid and Pas De Deux at the end always made me cry.
    Does anyone share similar experience?

    Edit: Thank you Tchaikovsky for this beautiful music you gave us!!!
    Last edited by contra7; Aug-28-2013 at 02:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burroughs View Post
    I was watching the nutcracker the other night and liked the music. But, the rest was just awful.
    It is a Christmas show. Should only be enjoyed during the holiday season.

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    Yeah, and nothing does The Nutcracker for me except that masterly suite that Tchaikovsky compiled. Simple reason; no toy instruments!

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    Almost my only experience with classical music when I was young was going to the Nutcracker in Lincoln Center (New York). We went perhaps 5-6 times. I have not seen the Nutcracker live in decades, but I have seen several versions on DVD. I don't know if it's my favorite ballet, but I think the music is truly beautiful, and I still find the story fun and moving. For me, the dancing, while enjoyable, is not as interesting as other ballets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    Yep the Nutcracker is best enjoyed for me by listening in a dark room. No performance please.
    The complete opposite for me -- bearable if being watched, and in a good production, unbearable as a piece(s) of music.

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