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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingenue View Post
    And my favourite flavour of ice-cream is .... *Chinese*.

    Seeing that dance performed live nowadays is pretty uncomfortable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burroughs View Post
    I was watching the nutcracker the other night and liked the music. But, the rest was just awful.
    Whats awful about it? Some of it is kinda lame (depending on the choreographer), and some parts are a bit uncomfortable... but what about those great solo dances, or the pas de deux?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurningDesire View Post
    Seeing that dance performed live nowadays is pretty uncomfortable
    how come?
    it looks really charming to me.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    I've seen it so many times, it's lost it's charm.... Unless, of course, I listen to the music alone.... Tchaikovsky's charm is not only eminent, but most definitely timeless, boundless.... So long as it's there in the first place.... *cough* 1812 Overture *cough* Anyway.... the music is great. The ballet, not so much. Marius Petipa did not work as much on the choreography, etc. as he had on the other to ballets, as I recall? Petipa was excellent....
    Last edited by mstar; Sep-07-2013 at 03:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstar View Post
    the music is great. The ballet, not so much. Marius Petipa did not work as much on the choreography
    how do you know? what do you know on choreography at all? Petipa did always work 'as much' every occasion.

    you may not like his, but there are lots of alternative versions of this ballet -


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    Quote Originally Posted by sharik View Post
    how do you know? what do you know on choreography at all? Petipa did always work 'as much' every occasion.

    you may not like his, but there are lots of alternative versions of this ballet -
    Oh, I am not saying that he did not put in effort! I believe that I read somewhere that he left most of the ballet to be choreographed by Lev Ivanov or somebody else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstar View Post
    he left most of the ballet to be choreographed by Lev Ivanov
    yes he did but Lev Ivanov was his assistant. Lev Ivanov = Petipa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharik View Post
    yes he did but Lev Ivanov was his assistant. Lev Ivanov = Petipa.
    Yes, but I think that, at the time, Petipa had more experience. I'm sure that previously under the "mentorship" of Petipa, Ivanov became great as well.
    I personally feel that the story of the Nutcracker which was used was so greatly simplified that it lost its original deep/evasive meaning.... I believe the story was originally German. Just opinion, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurningDesire View Post
    Seeing that dance performed live nowadays is pretty uncomfortable
    I agree, except for the San Francisco Ballet's version, appropriate for the city with a Chinese population that has been there almost as long as the city itself. They have a giant multi person dragon puppet like in the Chinese New Year parades, and the soloist choreography is a fabulous takeoff on Jackie Chan movies. No braided ponytails, straw hats or raised index fingers.

    (Wish I could find a video but I think they police YouTube pretty carefully)
    Heather W. Reichgott, piano
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharik View Post
    depends on which company performing it.


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    The Nutcracker may not be the best ballet as far as the drama/story is concerned: it’s just a children’s tale without real “tragedy”. Nevertheless I think the score contains some of the best music for orchestra ever written. Please do not refer only to the suite of the nutcracker. You really have to listen to the whole work! The part after the battle of the tin-soldiers with the rats is overwhelming! It is amazing that every conductor is creating different kind of crescendo or dramatic phrases.
    The instrumentation of the Nutcracker is one of the most original ever written. Tshaikovsky really knows the character of every instrument and combines them for the most beautiful orchestral sounds I know.
    Last edited by Animato; May-09-2014 at 17:21.

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    I think I've found my favorite scene from this ballet:


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    Mackerras LSO on Telarc for me

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    Thank you for posting that clip, trazom...I couldn't find a youtube link that I liked-enough last week to post.
    It's Tchaikovsky at his 'ecstatic' best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharik View Post
    depends on which company performing it.
    the Mariinsky 2012 -


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