Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 33

Thread: "Modern" ballet

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    238
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default "Modern" ballet

    Interpret whatever you want by modern. I'm thinking something like this, I saw in Teatro Colon this year and was blown away:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WExLSF-QZ48

  2. Likes TalkingHead liked this post
  3. #2
    Senior Member aleazk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Minotaur's labyrinth
    Posts
    3,829
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    6

    Default

    Seems nice. I would attend to that.

  4. #3
    Senior Member sharik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    moscow, russia
    Posts
    1,234
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    - a rather mediocre dance production, its neither ballet nor modern, but outdated like hundred years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by niv View Post
    I saw in Teatro Colon this year and was blown away
    it is more likely to get blown away by some hip-hop dance than by this.
    Last edited by sharik; Aug-09-2013 at 05:55.

  5. #4
    Moderator Huilunsoittaja's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Ohio, USA
    Posts
    3,785
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    168

    Default

    This is more modernly modern dance:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp-Z07Yc5oQ
    "Music is an art, and art is forever. Music should not succumb to fashion, which is passing and forgotten."
    Glazunov


    Join TC's Official Russian Composer Fanclub!

    Oh, and, here's my professional website!

  6. Likes sharik, Garlic liked this post
  7. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Houston
    Posts
    406
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    niv, that performance is not something I'd call very challenging, although I didn't watch the entire video.

    The corps was not synchronized very well -- they needed more practice. When you have a metronomic style of dance where the rhythms are highly coordinated, then it needs to be either almost "robotic" to provide that sort of hypnotic view, or it falls flat.

    I'm a modest fan of dance but I cannot remember the style of dance this is called -- it's a specific phrase that describes the coreography. The coreo is based on the general positions (2nd, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, repeat) and then some classic lifts and such. The dance starts with the elemental positions and then slowly creates more and more complicated versions. It's a bit like a fugue. Like I say, there's a specific term for this and I can't remember it.

    Okay, but it's not "ballet" but actually modern dance based on classic ballet exercises. And not very entertaining. And not very well danced.

    If you're doing classic ballet (old school Russian or French, etc) then the corps is always perfectly synchronized. That's the way it creates the "harmony" visually.

    Modern dance is different. You take perhaps classic positions but then alter them so that the corps is not dancing in perfect rhythm and form, but that each member of the corps is slightly out of sync and is, for example, "reaching" or "bending" or whatever almost the same as the other corps members but not exactly.

    They therefore form a complex interrelational movement structure that's deliberately imperfect but nearly so. What makes this difficult is that the dancers must be almost synched but aren't exact like in classic ballet. And this creates the tension we see (and hear) in modern music or dance.

  8. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Houston
    Posts
    406
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about. This is from the beginning portion of Le Sacre du Printemps (Rite of Spring) by Stravinsky, and the dance troupe is, I'm pretty certain, the French "Ballet Preljocaj" whom I've seen perform on tour.

    Watch how the dancers of the female corps are seemingly disjointed, not synchronized, but in fact are in "theme" joined together. And watch specifically how the choreography "changes" at 3:45! The corps are apparently disjointed but they slowly join and slowly group themselves, becoming a synchronized group. And then, exactly at 3:45, they join in a perfect harmonious movement.

    The change is electric.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOTjyCM3Ou4

  9. Likes arpeggio liked this post
  10. #7
    Senior Member mstar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    NE USA
    Posts
    729
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Modern ballet? I immediately connect that with Stravinsky. And then I think of colorful, elaborate costumes and sets. Then I think of the appalled concert-goers at the time who did not like the "modern style." Yet, I don't think I connect Stravinsky's ballets directly with "bad" at all! In fact, some are great. I have the last ten minutes of his Firebird in my music folder, for my own listening, and I think it's great! Actually, some of the greatest things in modern have to do with abstract and different "variations" on the more "traditional," if you will, works of the past eras.

  11. #8
    Senior Member hreichgott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    western Massachusetts, US
    Posts
    1,001
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Food for thought:

    The Romantic era in ballet was roughly 1840s through 1880s (130-170 years ago)
    The Classical era in ballet was roughly 1890s through 1910s (100-120 years ago)
    The Modern era in ballet is often counted from the first performance of Rite of Spring in 1913 (100 years ago)

    They are all much closer to each other than they are to the present day.
    Heather W. Reichgott, piano
    http://heatherwreichgott.blogspot.com

  12. Likes arpeggio, Mickey, PetrB liked this post
  13. #9
    Senior Member techniquest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Wessex, UK
    Posts
    1,159
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I prefer 'grand ballet' with full orchestra and a large cast. Prokofiev and Khachaturian immediately spring to mind as examples of 20th century ballet in this style, but one of my favourites is 'Anna Karenina' by Shchedrin, composed in 1971. Here are some clips from the ballet:

    There may come a time when Youtube won't let us do this...

  14. #10
    Senior Member sharik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    moscow, russia
    Posts
    1,234
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hreichgott View Post
    The Modern era in ballet is often counted from the first performance of Rite of Spring
    mistakenly so, because in fact The Rite Of Spring has put an end to modern music and dance just the same way as Malevitch's Black Square did to modern painting.

    the very idea of 'modern art' has ceased to exist since then, only its hoax is still there.

  15. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    14,039
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sharik View Post
    mistakenly so, because in fact The Rite Of Spring has put an end to modern music and dance just the same way as Malevitch's Black Square did to modern painting.

    the very idea of 'modern art' has ceased to exist since then, only its hoax is still there.
    I'm all ears. Please do elaborate.

    Attachment 24972

  16. Likes Ingélou, proclo liked this post
  17. #12
    Senior Member sharik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    moscow, russia
    Posts
    1,234
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaneyes View Post
    Please do elaborate
    that is, they cheat you when saying they make 'modern art' because in fact what they do cannot even stand comparison to the artists' of the beginning of 20th century, in terms of being modern and revolutionary.

  18. #13

  19. Likes arpeggio, Crudblud liked this post
  20. #14
    Senior Member starthrower's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Syracuse, NY USA
    Posts
    12,413
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    La La La Human Steps

  21. #15
    Senior Member tdc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    7,989
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    That was entertaining.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. "Lord of the Rings" - "May It Be" - Enya - Cover by "Elf Warrior" Elena House
    By arts in forum The Movie Corner: Music for Cinema and TV
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: Dec-25-2012, 03:21
  2. How "serious" is ballet music?
    By Cnote11 in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: May-08-2012, 23:12
  3. Replies: 31
    Last Post: Mar-15-2012, 17:36
  4. Recommends for "friendly" sounding modern compositions?
    By Major Minor in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 117
    Last Post: Dec-26-2011, 21:48
  5. The "simplification" of modern life by computers
    By aleazk in forum Community Forum
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: Dec-25-2011, 05:49

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •