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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Yes, the Boulez centenary Ring is rather good. Modern, but not unwatchably so.
    In fact the most wonderful "modern " staging I did see in my short life.

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    I watched the Boulez Ring through recently. Honestly, didn't like it in terms of staging and the look. I don't know whether my imagination was just better but I really didn't like the industrial look. I like Boulez generally but I almost wish I'd never even bothered to watch his Ring. I might try the Levine next, but it could be a while based on how disappointing the Boulez was.

    It was almost as bad as seeing some lame Hollywood director ruin one of your favorite novels with an adaptation. (Ahem James Franco Ahem.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bz3 View Post
    I watched the Boulez Ring through recently. Honestly, didn't like it in terms of staging and the look. I don't know whether my imagination was just better but I really didn't like the industrial look. I like Boulez generally but I almost wish I'd never even bothered to watch his Ring. I might try the Levine next, but it could be a while based on how disappointing the Boulez was.

    It was almost as bad as seeing some lame Hollywood director ruin one of your favourite novels with an adaptation. (Ahem James Franco Ahem.)
    Believe me, there are worst staging DVD's out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bz3 View Post
    I watched the Boulez Ring through recently. Honestly, didn't like it in terms of staging and the look. I don't know whether my imagination was just better but I really didn't like the industrial look. I like Boulez generally but I almost wish I'd never even bothered to watch his Ring. I might try the Levine next, but it could be a while based on how disappointing the Boulez was.

    It was almost as bad as seeing some lame Hollywood director ruin one of your favorite novels with an adaptation. (Ahem James Franco Ahem.)
    Better than either is the Barenboim from Bayreuth

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    The Solti set is a Ringer.
    Facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    I'll have to check out that 1955 Keilberth set. I did see a Krause set going quite cheap, about $16 for the whole ring, but the sound was par with that of a free download ring they had on Opera Depot about a year ago, for which reason I don't listen to it.

    But I better imbibe of the Solti Ring and my Levine DVD ring before I start hitting any more Ring buy buttons.
    If you're interested in the Krauss Ring (with a very similar cast to the Keilberth), you can get this one free:
    http://www.talkclassical.com/showthr...=1#post1166391

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill H. View Post
    If you're interested in the Krauss Ring (with a very similar cast to the Keilberth), you can get this one free:
    http://www.talkclassical.com/showthr...=1#post1166391
    Thanks. I downloaded your set and to make it legitimate I purchased a Krauss Ring set:



    This is the funky packaging that has only 7 disks instead of the typical 14. They fit two disks worth on a disk and so you run one channel then the other channel. If you run both channels you get two parts playing at once. I know this because I have a Fidelio like this. But I don't ever have to play these because I have your remaster. I do greatly appreciate it. I just became a Ring freak a month ago, listening to my Neuhold set that came in my complete Wagner opera set of 43 disks. That is a good recording, but then I bought Solti which is so much better. From what I read, Krauss is right up there with Solti. But here I got the deal of the century because the whole set costs me $5.97 shipped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Thanks. I downloaded your set and to make it legitimate I purchased a Krauss Ring set:



    This is the funky packaging that has only 7 disks instead of the typical 14. They fit two disks worth on a disk and so you run one channel then the other channel. If you run both channels you get two parts playing at once. I know this because I have a Fidelio like this. But I don't ever have to play these because I have your remaster. I do greatly appreciate it. I just became a Ring freak a month ago, listening to my Neuhold set that came in my complete Wagner opera set of 43 disks. That is a good recording, but then I bought Solti which is so much better. From what I read, Krauss is right up there with Solti. But here I got the deal of the century because the whole set costs me $5.97 shipped.
    Now that IS a strange issue! I think there may have even been LP releases like that, with different portions cut onto opposite sides of the grooves, so you had to play one channel at a time! Heaven help you if there was any defect in the disc cutting that allowed crossover or groove echo

    In any case, for my version I used long file source material that I had purchased, with no accompanying notation of its actual provenance. But by reworking it for ambience, equalization and track splits I think I'm doing (in a legal sense) what any other remastering house would be doing on source material that's now in the public domain. It's just that I don't claim to be a commercial level audio engineer, just a tinkerer, so I prefer to give it away for free (what it's probably worth!).

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    The other problem with this two disks on one using separate channels per disk is lining it up so the track breaks work. Not sure how they do that, maybe they split stuff mid-note. As I noted, I do have this type of disk for Beethoven's Fidelio and as I recall I put it up on Audacity and saved it out one channel at a time for a normal set of MP3s to listen to. But I can't remember how that all went. My recording engineering abilities are close to zero.

    Again, thanks much for doing this.

    I just found an article explaining the whole process of these doubled-up disks:
    The Best 'Ring' Issued On Just 7 Compact Disks

    Hey, maybe I didn't do so badly after all, considering the title of the article. Look what is says (my emphasis),
    But this Krauss performance, in amazingly good sound, captures a level of conducting inspiration and of consistent vocal and dramatic insight probably never equaled by any other recorded ''Ring,'' live or studio.
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    I had to chime in here. The '76 and '77 Boulez Ring's from Opera Depot are fantastic (and cheap), especially the '77. It is one of my favorite Ring's and WAAAAAAY better than the commercial release in terms of performance quality and sound. I absolutely love it. The '76 is interesting to hear due to the infamous reaction of the audience throughout the performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Read this article:

    Goodall Ring Cycle In English & Why Wagner Wanted It That Way

    Slow tempo must be the reason it spans 16 disks instead of the normal 14.

    Beautifully packaged set too (image link).
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too slow. Definitely not they way Wagner wanted it. He often chided conductors for conducting his works too slowly. It's a nice recording, but honestly, you can't really make out what they are saying anyway because the tempos are so slow that the English is really hard to understand.

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    I think I have 27 Ring recordings. My top five are:

    1. Solti: Best cast overall. Whatever may be said of Hotter's Walkure Wotan, he's still far superior to most Wotan's on disc. I like that this set offers us a performance that would be impossible to stage in the theater. Solti's conducting, per usual, is highly underrated.

    2. Boulez '77: Fantastic. Much better than the commercial release, in sound and performance quality. I love this set. Jones is absolutely magnificent. Sure Boulez is on the brisk side of things, but all sources I've seen point to the fact that this is likely how Wagner wanted the Ring to be conducted.

    3. Krauss '55: Great singing, pretty good sound, but the Rheingold drops in lower on the list. Hotter and Varnay in their prime.

    4. Karajan: I love Karajan's approach. It being dubbed a chamber approach is both laughable and inaccurate. Sure Karajan caresses the score and brings out the beauty, but he sure knows how to let it rip when called for. Walkure is my favorite on disc. Crespin is amazing. If only she had sung the Siegfried and Gotterdammerung Brunnhildes.

    5. Kna '57: I think this is the best of the lot, in terms of performance, but loses out due to sound quality, even though Walhall did a fantastic job. Much better sound than any Krauss '53 I've heard, and a better performance and conducting, IMO. Nilsson's Sieglinde is a huge bonus. I've never heard Varnay sing better. Her performance is riveting.
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    There seems to be another $2 Kauss doubled up set available by same seller. Must have had two sets (or he forgot to remove the listing). Also some for $4.50 and $6.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DY45DA
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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too slow. Definitely not they way Wagner wanted it. He often chided conductors for conducting his works too slowly. It's a nice recording, but honestly, you can't really make out what they are saying anyway because the tempos are so slow that the English is really hard to understand.
    Hear, hear, finally someone who speaks out loud!

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    Well, I get the picture. Too slow. English, but still can't understand. There is a reason why copies of this set are gathering dust.
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