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    Quote Originally Posted by Celloman View Post
    For that recording, I would suggest the 2013 re-issue from Opera D'Oro. The sound quality is really quite impressive for a mono recording made in the early 50s. Plus, you get all the libretti and a booklet...and it's only $39, which, compared to the Solti or the Kleiberth sets, is nothing less than a steal.

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    This is the set that made me have a change of heart about Opera D'Oro. It seems the label has turned towards serious improvement in the last decade or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyS View Post
    Question for those with the Goodall Ring - is there any difference between the individual sets and the complete set rather than the outer case for them all?
    It's the same recording if that's what you mean. The Goodall Ring is fantastic. Remedios and Hunter are my favorite Wagnerian team of modern times. Only Melchior and Flagstad surpass them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    You're the only one who has made an appraisal of merit regarding Barenboim here (and by your own admission you don't even have his Ring).
    I have Barenboim's Ring on LP, CD, DVD and Blu-Ray. I have to admit, I never would have bought it over and over again for the quality of the conducting. I bought it because of bargain pricing just to be a completist. Not a very distinguished Ring in the grand scheme of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    It's the same recording if that's what you mean. The Goodall Ring is fantastic. Remedios and Hunter are my favorite Wagnerian team of modern times. Only Melchior and Flagstad surpass them.
    I think he means whats included in the box set. libretti, etc.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celloman View Post
    For that recording, I would suggest the 2013 re-issue from Opera D'Oro. The sound quality is really quite impressive for a mono recording made in the early 50s. Plus, you get all the libretti and a booklet...and it's only $39, which, compared to the Solti or the Kleiberth sets, is nothing less than a steal.

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    Yes... somehow I mistook my Clemens Krauss recording as being from 1956 and so my interest was piqued for another Krauss recording... but no such luck. My recording is in fact 1953 and the same Opera D'Oro set as here recommended.
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    The Goodall Ring is fantastic. Remedios and Hunter are my favorite Wagnerian team of modern times. Only Melchior and Flagstad surpass them.

    Damn! Now I'm interested.
    Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StlukesguildOhio View Post
    Yes... somehow I mistook my Clemens Krauss recording as being from 1956 and so my interest was piqued for another Krauss recording... but no such luck. My recording is in fact 1953 and the same Opera D'Oro set as here recommended.
    Yes, the Krauss Ring is from 1953. Krauss made no other recordings of the Ring. Certainly not in 1956. He died of a heart attack in Mexico City in 1954. A fine conductor and respectful of Wagner's original tempos in this unique but technically challenged live recording. Unfortunately Krauss left very few recordings of any kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip View Post
    I have decided to add a new Ring to this thread - me choosing something modern, with living breathing performers; I must be going soft in the head.Every participant in this Ring is alive and kicking! / singing.
    Well here it is.
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    I am very impressed first with the orchestra and this Ring has brought forth a hitherto no so well known conductor who can be held up with the very best of them - Sebastian Weigle . remember the name.
    I knew him from Bayreuth as the conductor of that recent trash production of the Meistersinger by §$%&##*#* Wagner.
    He really does a great job. Star of the show (believe me!) is the(then) 68 years old Terje Stensvold as Wotan /Wanderer.
    A tremendous performance in all three operas , he deserves to be much more widely known. He has the power and the ability to shade his voice and sing softly, but still with great clarity. The Rheingold cast is mostly unknown to me but all sing well.
    The Walküre has Frank van Aken as Siegmund, Westbroek as Sieglinde - both excellent
    Susan Bullock sings Brünnhilde and Lance Ryan Siegfried.

    Beautifully recorded from live performances given between 2010 and 2011.

    Amazon are offering it at a ridiculous pre-order price -
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...pf_rd_i=468294

    Can't go wrong at that price - (Amazon Germany has already issued it at 68 Euros!)
    I don't know if this is a promo or not - just go for it.

    I have included also a picture of the new Gergiev Rheingold - I found it a little antisceptic - I did not like the recording acoustic. Too much reverberation, which is always a giveaway for trying to cover a multitude of sins. - It's not bad - it's just not good enough, Rene Papé or not!
    I agree with you on the Gergiev Rheingold. Very disappointed in the recessed voices.

    That Oehms set is rather pricey isn't it?
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    The Krauss Ring is superb, perhaps the finest on records. The casting is absolutely tops and the conducting seems to combine forward drive with strength. But it is sonically compromised by the elderly recording in mono only.
    With a couple of clunkers in it (namely the Gutrune and the Freia, IMO), the Krauss Ring has wonderfully consistent singing throughout--and the major singers are consistently CAST throughout, unlike e.g. the Furtwängler Rings, with the changes between operas for pivotal roles such as Alberich, or even Siegfried. I also like the 'theatricality' of the performance (for want of a better word), meaning that Krauss has the singers give additional vocalizations (laughs, smirks and the like) that help emphasize the words and dialogue, but which may not be in the score and which I seldom hear on other recordings. He was a truly seasoned conductor of the opera as theatre.

    The sound quality of the Bavarian radio tapes are not terrible for the era. But for me, the biggest problem with the recording is the voice/orchestra balance. Sometimes it's OK, but there are numerous spots where it's frustratingly overbalanced toward the voices, such that the orchestra fades into the background when it's clear that they're playing ff. To me, this balance issue is even worse with the Knappertsbusch Ring of 1956, despite being a fine performance overall.

    So, if you want a 1950s Bayreuth Ring that gives the fullest sense of what it must have really sounded like to be there, your only real choice seems to be the 1955 Keilberth cycle.

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    Hmmm, my top 5? That would have to be . . . uhh . . . umm . . . hmm. I guess it would help if I liked even 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StlukesguildOhio View Post
    The Goodall Ring is fantastic. Remedios and Hunter are my favorite Wagnerian team of modern times. Only Melchior and Flagstad surpass them.

    Damn! Now I'm interested.
    I've just gotten Rheingold and Walkure... Only listened to the first disc of a rheingold so far but it's a different listening experience. In a good way though

    Looking forward to making my way through the rest of the cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyS View Post
    I've just gotten Rheingold and Walkure... Only listened to the first disc of a rheingold so far but it's a different listening experience. In a good way though

    Looking forward to making my way through the rest of the cycle
    You have a great treat in store

    For me, this is the one recording in which the entire duet at the end of Siegfried doesn't feel a bit anti-climactic. It's transcendent, due largely to the glorious Ms. Hunter.

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    Solti
    Barenboim
    Karajan
    Keilberth '55
    Krauss '53

    Based on his Rheingold and Walküre, I'm thinking his complete Ring I'm thinking he will be #2.

    Biggest disappointment - Goodall. Painfully slow tempos that ruin the drama.

    Biggest surprise - Karajan, especially Siegfried.

    Can someone tell me more about Solti's Covent Garden?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip View Post
    Don't be put off by the reviews of Reggie's Ring. He takes the broad view so it is quite slow, but it is very well sung. I saw all of these performances in the theatre, from 1970 until 1977 and remember them well. Curiously Reggie conducted the works slightly faster when they were sung in German. I saw him conduct Rheingold and Walkure at Covent Garden in 1975. They were excellent, but across at the ENO, his Ring was so much more because he built it from scratch, and taught almost all of the singers their roles as well. If you want the Ring conducted like Karl Bohm, then don't go to this, but as you like Barenboim (as I do very much) then you will like this very much.
    I have the Goodall Ring and I just can't get past the overly slow tempos.
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    Solti
    Keilberth '55
    Karajan
    Barenboim
    Levine

    Biggest surprise: Karajan. This originally was my 2nd Ring, but I so quickly dismissed and sold it. 13 years later, I repurchased it and realized how wrong I had been. I am so glad I gave it another chance.

    Biggest disappointment: Goodall. I was thrilled to get a Ring in English and thought the plodding tempos would hardly be noticeable given the length of the work. I was wrong. The tempos are painfully slow and there is no drama present. It's such a shame, because the singing is quite good. I learned my lesson with Karajan have not offloaded this set and periodically revisit it, but in ever get more than a few minutes in before the dreadful dullness of this set forces me to shut it down.
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