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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    How about a historical Bayreuth Ring? With the classic voices.
    The Knappertsbusch '57 is a great one and very inexpensive.
    Just sayin'

    The English doesn't bother me as I can't understand it anyway

    Did you know that Wagner encouraged it be performed in other languages so that everyone could enjoy it? No subtitles then.
    Sure, I'll think about it

    And yes, I know Wagner encouraged that, but a Ring in, say, French or Italian, would be too much for me The sound of those languages is just too different.

    I wonder if the Ring has ever been staged in Swedish, or Norwegian, or Icelandic. THAT would be interesting to hear.
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    Bayreuth '71 with Ligendza as Brunnhilde is not bad. Probably the seventies saw the end of the half way decent productions from Bayreuth. Sad really in a way. Too many indulgences given by Wagner's heirs to directors who only had their own agendas that didn't really serve the music.
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    I watched the first act of Barnenboim's La Scala Walkure tonight. Very good. Creditable singers, good conducting, great sound, albeit 2.0, not 5.1. Nice stage design too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    I watched the first act of Barnenboim's La Scala Walkure tonight. Very good. Creditable singers, good conducting, great sound, albeit 2.0, not 5.1. Nice stage design too.
    Is this the production he shares with Berlin? If so it is quite good apart from some treacherous choreography, particularly in Rheingold, which makes no sense. Otherwise it's a pretty good production reasonably well cast. Sadly it goes a bit awry vocally when Lance Ryan raises his head in Siegfried and Götterdämmerung. If there's a worse heldentenor out there I hope I'm spared from hearing him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanmcf View Post
    I have the same problem. Incidentally none of my five favourite Ring cycles would be going to a desert island with me. What I would take is the Solti studio one. The reason being that it was the first one i bought and the first one I ever heard so it has a place in my heart. Over the last 45 years I have recognised its shortcomings but it's still a thrilling experience. Let me take you back to 1969. I am twenty and have just discovered Wagner. I have bought the Solti Tannhauser and have decided that I need to hear everything else. I live in a small village about forty miles from my nearest city and a half-decent record store. I travel to this store one Saturday and on the shelf is the big wooden case of Solti's Ring. It is $70, about the equivalent of about a weeks wages to me back then but I have to have it. I carry it on the bus back home and prepare to immerse myself in Wagner's sound world for the next two nights. Monday night and I am about to listen to the last album, number 6, of Gotterdammerung. The culmination of what has been a mind-blowing experience. I reach for disc 6. Imagine my chagrin to discover that some dolt at Decca had put in two copies of Disc 5, but no Disc 6. Two weeks later, after contacting Decca, I had Disc 6 and all was well with the world. Hence the special resonance.
    Pretty much my story except read 1975 for 1969, and my Disc 6 was actually Disc 6. No matter how many Rings I acquire, I always return to the Solti as my go-to since it was my imprint Ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    In the last few months I have acquired some truely great 1950s Bayreuth Rings very cheap, still fully digesting them but at least one and maybe more belong in my top 5 Ring list........

    1952 Keilberth Bayreuth - Myto label
    1957 Knappy Bayreuth - Walhall Eternity label
    1958 Knappy Bayreuth - Walhall Eternity label
    1960 Kempe Bayreuth - Myto label

    DA, of the 57 and 58 Kna versions, which do you prefer, vis-a-vis recording quality as well as performance quality? I'd like to add one of them but can't justify both of them when there are so many other Rings out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    DA, of the 57 and 58 Kna versions, which do you prefer, vis-a-vis recording quality as well as performance quality? I'd like to add one of them but can't justify both of them when there are so many other Rings out there.
    We have been discussing these a lot lately in the "historical wagner thread" I would get the 1957 Knappy Bayreuth first on the Walhall Eternity label, excellent sound the best mono Ring I have heard from the 1950s and the 1958 Knappy is close behind.......both great performances with best singers (Varnay, Hotter) still in great voice

    The price is too good to be true on Amazon USA, buy buy buy........


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    I've been listening to the mp3 samples of the '57 on Amazon of the Walhall series, and it does indeed sound good, other than the annoyingly frequent coughing by the attendees, which makes me crazy. Shut up, will you? Can't you see they're singing? Too many smokers, I assume.

    How does the 1953 Krauss on Pristine compare to the sound on the blue Opera d'Oro box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    I've been listening to the mp3 samples of the '57 on Amazon of the Walhall series, and it does indeed sound good, other than the annoyingly frequent coughing by the attendees, which makes me crazy. Shut up, will you? Can't you see they're singing? Too many smokers, I assume.

    How does the 1953 Krauss on Pristine compare to the sound on the blue Opera d'Oro box?
    Opera d oro is the cheapest but unfortunately also takes a back seat in sound to the latest Orfeo label release, which in turn takes an even bigger back seat the amazing Pristine XR with ambient stereo.......sounds very very good (for a price)

    Itullian may back me up on the sound of Pristine XR Krauss, I think he has now heard some......

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Opera d oro is the cheapest but unfortunately also takes a back seat in sound to the latest Orfeo label release, which in turn takes an even bigger back seat the amazing Pristine XR with ambient stereo.......sounds very very good (for a price)

    Itullian may back me up on the sound of Pristine XR Krauss, I think he has now heard some......
    Yup, DA is right. The Pristine is definitely the best sound. Clearer, deeper.
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    OK good to know. I'll have to line that one up. So many Rings, so little time. I haven't had a chance to spend quality time with the Keilberth yet, even.
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    That Krauss Pristine remastering is pretty impressive--I just got it a couple of weeks ago, well worth the money for such a great performance. In prior incarnations, the sound was dead and distant enough so I couldn't seriously consider it a contender for my desert island version, but in the Pristine incarnation, it's definitely a very serious contender.

    My list:
    1) Bohm
    2) Krauss 53
    3) Keilberth 55
    4) Karajan
    5) Barenboim

    I like the Boulez too. Not a fan of the Decca Solti or the Met Levine. I have mixed feelings about Furtwangler's RAI cycle, have not gotten the Scala one yet but I'm in no hurry from my exposure to that one on streaming services.
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    1 : Solti
    2: Haitink
    3: Karajan
    4: Boulez
    5: Levine (DVD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    That Krauss Pristine remastering is pretty impressive--I just got it a couple of weeks ago, well worth the money for such a great performance. In prior incarnations, the sound was dead and distant enough so I couldn't seriously consider it a contender for my desert island version, but in the Pristine incarnation, it's definitely a very serious contender.

    My list:
    1) Bohm
    2) Krauss 53
    3) Keilberth 55
    4) Karajan
    5) Barenboim

    I like the Boulez too. Not a fan of the Decca Solti or the Met Levine. I have mixed feelings about Furtwangler's RAI cycle, have not gotten the Scala one yet but I'm in no hurry from my exposure to that one on streaming services.
    I am glad more people are making the investment in the Pristine XR Krauss Ring, the sound quality improvement over any other version (including latest Orfeo boxset remaster) is easy to hear.......

    If you like 1950s Bayreuth Rings don't hesitate to try these, very good sound and cheap price

    In the last few months I have acquired some truely great 1950s Bayreuth Rings very cheap, still fully digesting them but at least one and maybe more belong in my top 5 Ring list........

    1952 Keilberth Bayreuth - Myto label
    1957 Knappy Bayreuth - Walhall Eternity label
    1958 Knappy Bayreuth - Walhall Eternity label
    1960 Kempe Bayreuth - Myto label

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I am glad more people are making the investment in the Pristine XR Krauss Ring, the sound quality improvement over any other version (including latest Orfeo boxset remaster) is easy to hear.......
    Stop torturing me.
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