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    I note that Amazon are selling this Ring for just over £90 but you can get a disc of highlights for £7 second and. Might be worth investing in that before taking the plunge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I would agree that compared with some of his contemporary Wagnerian tenors Remedios was a light in the darkness. I am astounded he wasn't better used.
    He had terrible trouble learning roles in other languages. Reggie took it upon himself to teach him the Siegfried roles in German for the Covent Garden Ring in 1980 and 1982, as a trial for potentially singing it at Bayreuth for Solti in the Peter Hall production in 1983.
    He sang all cycles in both years at CG but declined to go any further with it. He was terribly unhappy singing in German. This of course limited his opportunities greatly.
    I remember the 82 Ring, he was nothing like as secure as he was under Reggie singing in English. Colin Davis gave him every help but it was not a success.
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    What's the English for "hojotoho"?

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    Well maybe I need to give it another go. Time can change opinion. However, my memory says it's so painfully slow. I will dig out the set and give it another go. I also remember not understanding most of what was being sung even though it's in English.
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    Yep. Listened to Rheingold and Walküre. It's painfully slow. The beginning of Rheingold is painful. Goodall's conducting makes no sense dramatically. The singing is wonderful, however.

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    Rita Hunter was at her peak here and was astounding. So lyrical yet powerful and killer high notes.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxzKL3qFUrc
    This Youtube clip should convince you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Thinking about getting these.

    I would like your input, please.

    thank you
    So, did you ever purchase the Goodall Ring?

    This guy has a ton of great things to say about it:
    http://alberichcrosswords.com/pages/goodallring.html

    More good about Goodall:
    https://www.stereophile.com/recordin...tmb/index.html

    And why Wagner would have liked it:
    http://www.the-wagnerian.com/2013/04...glish-why.html
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    No I never did.
    Other Rings were subsequently released that
    took precedence in my budget.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    I pieced together a set out of used copies and it ended up costing a fairly reasonable amount---I think around $75 or $80 all told. I rather enjoyed it more than I expected. I find it entertaining to compare their translation to another English libretto as I listen to this set and between the two I figure I'm getting a good sense of what Wagner wrote for libretto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    I pieced together a set out of used copies and it ended up costing a fairly reasonable amount---I think around $75 or $80 all told. I rather enjoyed it more than I expected. I find it entertaining to compare their translation to another English libretto as I listen to this set and between the two I figure I'm getting a good sense of what Wagner wrote for libretto.
    That is how I did it and in hindsight, I should have bought the brand new set with the nice cardboard slipcase to hold all four operas as it was on sale at Presto for $99! Rather, I saw Rheingold for $10 shipped and grabbed it. Then I proceeded to get the others and came out at around $89 total as I recall, and no slipcase. At least I got the Chandos set, which I have read has way better sound than the old EMI release.
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    FYI There are a couple decent listings of Goodall's Ring on ebay:

    15 hours left to bid. Currently below $12 USD
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/123541703164

    Buy it now for $75 USD
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/312386852315?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    And why Wagner would have liked it:
    http://www.the-wagnerian.com/2013/04...glish-why.html
    Well, that's an argument about why Wagner would have supported translation in English, but I hardly think that argument really holds much relevance now when that was offered before the development of supertitles, the advent of recording and streaming music.

    The singing is good, but I find the tempi almost comically slow. Actually what it reminds me of is practicing piano when learning the notes and taking it at a very slow tempo during the learning process. The English also sounds weird and jarring to me, and I can't actually understand the English consistently enough for me to derive the benefit of it being in my native tongue.

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    In his autobiography, Solti called Goodall a 'great British Wagnerian' and said he had 'an amazing understanding of Wagner's works' that made him a great coach to the young singers. However, he adds, 'I felt that as a conductor he lacked the basic technical skills to transmit his love of the score in performance.'

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