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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    Yep. Listened to Rheingold and Walküre. It's painfully slow. The beginning of Rheingold is painful. Goodall's conducting makes no sense dramatically. The singing is wonderful, however.
    Interesting point that apparently Wagner preferred lighter, swifter tempi for his works. Goodall's tempi are impossibly slow, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Interesting point that apparently Wagner preferred lighter, swifter tempi for his works. Goodall's tempi are impossibly slow, however.
    Yes, exactly. Wagner made some comment at a performance of, Rheingold I believe, once - something to the effect if the conductor picked up the pace they could be out of there in two hours.

    I prefer performances that adhere to the composers wishes, because I want to hear works as composers intended. I value and appreciation different interpretations (so I can buy many recordings of the same work), but conductors are servants to the composer. I can’t respect Goodall for doing this to the Ring. I try repeatedly with this recording, but it is such a massive misfire that I’m truly baffled on how it is respected at all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    Yes, exactly. Wagner made some comment at a performance of, Rheingold I believe, once - something to the effect if the conductor picked up the pace they could be out of there in two hours.

    I prefer performances that adhere to the composers wishes, because I want to hear works as composers intended. I value and appreciation different interpretations (so I can buy many recordings of the same work), but conductors are servants to the composer. I can’t respect Goodall for doing this to the Ring. I try repeatedly with this recording, but it is such a massive misfire that I’m truly baffled on how it is respected at all..
    I think it's mainly to do with the standard of singing from Remedios, Hunter, Bailey, et al., who are exceptionally good even at these pedestrian tempi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    I think it's mainly to do with the standard of singing from Remedios, Hunter, Bailey, et al., who are exceptionally good even at these pedestrian tempi.
    I thnk it was the need of the British to have an underdog hero. Possibly a reaction to Solti's success. Solti was at Covent Garden and had recorded the Ring and typified the jet setting conductor - now here comes his assistant and conducts Wagner in English in the rival house and we have our underdog hero. The fact that the guy was a fascist and supported Hitler during the war while people like my dad were fighting for our freedom apoears to have escaped people! They even give him a knighthood!
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    In regards to the tempi. It is true that he spoke of swifter tempi, but for (not surprisingly) faster tempo indications. He also wrote that " the true adagio can hardly be played too slowly."

    Like many other composers before and since, Wagner was more concerned with impetus, drive, and momentum; these are the factors of tempi that really matter. You can have a super fast allegro that is lifeless, just like a machine click-clacking away, and a much slower allegro that seems to swell and live, and push the music forward. The later will grip the listener much more despite being technically "slower".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I thnk it was the need of the British to have an underdog hero. Possibly a reaction to Solti's success. Solti was at Covent Garden and had recorded the Ring and typified the jet setting conductor - now here comes his assistant and conducts Wagner in English in the rival house and we have our underdog hero. The fact that the guy was a fascist and supported Hitler during the war while people like my dad were fighting for our freedom apoears to have escaped people! They even give him a knighthood!
    Interesting. If the British operagoers saw the avowed and openly fascist Goodall as an "underdog" hero when compared to the jet-setting (or "internationalist") Jewish Solti, that's a tremendously bad look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    Interesting. If the British operagoers saw the avowed and openly fascist Goodall as an "underdog" hero when compared to the jet-setting (or "internationalist") Jewish Solti, that's a tremendously bad look.
    Just my guess. I can't prove it. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Solti's Jewishness but the British do like a perceived underdog. I mean, look how the critics fawned over Joyce Hatto's 'recordings'!
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