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    Question Goodall's English Ring cycle....................

    Thinking about getting these.

    I would like your input, please.

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    Probably my favourite recording of the Ring, but that's a very personal choice!

    Very, very, very slow tempi throughout - for a lot of people it kills the drama, robbing it of impetus. For me, it brings out the mythic-ritual sense of the work in a way no other reading has done.

    The most beautiful Brunnhilde on record, IMO.

    Siegfried is very strong (Alberto Remedios) and the Wotan of Norman Bailey is great.

    Rest of the cast ranges from OK to fine: no real duds, but IMO no particular stand outs.

    As an English speaker (and having no German) there is something wonderful about hearing these in my own language, and Andrew Porter's translation is justly celebrated IMO.

    The packaging of mine is standard jewel-case with libretti for all four operas.

    I keep coming back to the intensity of the conducting. Goodall was a master. (His Parsifal with the Welsh National Opera is definitely worth getting, and even more so the live recording with Vickers released a couple of years back by the Royal Opera House).

    I wouldn't recommend this in a first clutch of Ring purchases and it's not. I accept, the Best recording out there. But it's my favourite, for sure.

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    It's been some years since I've heard this but I do remember the sheer slowness of the Tempi. The singing is really good - in English, of course - and the effect is a nixie able build-up. No doubt that Goodall was a master of this approach and the singers had all been well coached by him. The one thing one must say is that Wagner himself apparently liked a lot lighter approach with swifter tempi. But then these works can take different approaches.

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    Had some of the LPs. Am no Wagnerian at all, but noticed a somewhat close-up sound there, perhaps edited better in the digital version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    The one thing one must say is that Wagner himself apparently liked a lot lighter approach with swifter tempi.
    Yes, I've read that as well.

    One more in a long list of things Wagner and I would disagree on.

    Come to think of it, there are probably only two things we would agree on:

    1. It's important to be kind to animals,

    2. Wagner was a profound genius.

    I suspect even with these he'd disagree with the order I've put them in!
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    I saw all of Reggie's Ring, piece by piece as each was mounted by Sadler's Wells Opera (it changed it's name in 1973 to ENO) through the 70's and it was a profound experience. It started in 1970 with Valkyrie and ended in august 1977 with his last complete cycles - I went to both, and Reggie knew he would never conduct the cycle again.
    Wagner in english is a different thing to grasp and that is the way to come to terms with Reggie's tempi - listen to the text and let the music just envelop you.
    He was least good in Siegfried - it is a bit slow - I knew Reggie and I asked him in 1979 why he had refused to conduct Siegfried at Covent Garden in their then(1975) incomplete new Ring, (having just done Rheingold and Walküre for them in german) and he said that he could not get away with his Siegfried tempi in German as he had in english. That is how he saw it. He did conduct slightly faster in German than he did in the english versions, but not that much. It was an interesting time then, to be able to see him do both English and german versions of Rheingold in the same year.
    Everyone forgets that Colin Davis thought very highly of Reggie and learned his Ring interpretation with Reggie's help.
    This is an experience than is not to be missed, I envy anyone coming to this fresh as we did 40 odd years ago - I don't believe that I just wrote that. I saw Reggie's Valkyrie 43 years ago!! ouch!!
    Don't worry about Siegfried - to hear Remedios and Hunter is a glorious experience.
    Bailey as Wotan and the Wanderer is magnificent - one of the great interpretations - another great presence throughout the set is Derrick Hammond-Stroud as Alberich. Tremendous.
    I love the Rhinegold - it works very well in english - the translations, by the way, by Andrew Porter are magnificent.
    The Götterdämmerung is a great thing - turn off the phone - and treat it as an evening at the opera - you will not be disappointed.
    I have left Valkyrie till last - It is the best of Reggie (along with GD) and the one he enjoyed conducting most.
    He went to Bayreuth many times to immerse himself in the atmosphere of it all and was most impressed by Knappertsbusch. One can see how his interpretation was influenced by this and it will help to understand his thoughts on it all.
    It is also not a case of looking at the past with rose coloured glasses, I have all the live broadcasts from then as well as the composite Ring that we are discussing here.

    The only time he returned to any part of the Ring (post ENO) was in 1984, when he conducted the new production of Walküre for the Welsh National Opera.
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    Would love it...expensive though and not easy to find in shops

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    I got to know Alberto Remedios quite well as his son went to the same school as mine.He and his wife were apart but he used to appear often. He was a typical Scouser (from Liverpool) and a very funny guy, one night at a school fixture he got up and gave the audience quite a recital. I think it rather sad that we don't have him on record far more than we do.
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    I note that Presto are selling Goodalls recordings at good prices at the moment:
    Die Meistersinger £19.00.
    Die Walkuere--Siegfried--Goetterdaemerung, all at £22.00. The Ring cpte--£105.00
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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    I got to know Alberto Remedios quite well as his son went to the same school as mine.He and his wife were apart but he used to appear often. He was a typical Scouser (from Liverpool) and a very funny guy, one night at a school fixture he got up and gave the audience quite a recital. I think it rather sad that we don't have him on record far more than we do.
    I have the 1981 ENO Tristan with him.
    PM me for more information if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip View Post
    I have the 1981 ENO Tristan with him.
    PM me for more information if you want.
    The strange thing is that I'm not really a Wagner fan ,but have got into this and the other by pure happenstance.
    I'm hugely interested in the voice and 70% 0f my records are vocal,but I'm not interested in anything new. (Past about 1960).
    Fools talk because they have to say something, wise men talk because they have something to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Thinking about getting these.

    I would like your input, please.

    thank you
    I'd say take a pass. This is, IMO, a terrible Ring. Goodall has no grasp of the drama whatsoever and the plodding tempos are downright absurd. Spend your money else where. This set is way over priced and a total bore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    I'd say take a pass. This is, IMO, a terrible Ring. Goodall has no grasp of the drama whatsoever and the plodding tempos are downright absurd. Spend your money else where. This set is way over priced and a total bore.
    I beg to differ and refer you to post 6 in this thread.

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    This is one of my favorite Rings. The only part I find to be too slow is the Rhinemaidens scene. Once it gets going, WOW! Rita Hunter is magnificent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    I got to know Alberto Remedios quite well as his son went to the same school as mine.He and his wife were apart but he used to appear often. He was a typical Scouser (from Liverpool) and a very funny guy, one night at a school fixture he got up and gave the audience quite a recital. I think it rather sad that we don't have him on record far more than we do.
    I would agree that compared with some of his contemporary Wagnerian tenors Remedios was a light in the darkness. I am astounded he wasn't better used.

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