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    I agree, it has happened a lot in the church I attended. Not only do they skip verses but lately they have been adding verses that don’t even go with the hymn.

    They feel so comfortable and fine with skipping verses from Hymns to “save time” yet they make sure to sing every part of this new radio song and make sure to repeat everything again. Is it just me or do these new “worship” songs repeat themselves like crazy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Jesus love Hymns View Post
    I agree, it has happened a lot in the church I attended. Not only do they skip verses but lately they have been adding verses that don’t even go with the hymn.

    They feel so comfortable and fine with skipping verses from Hymns to “save time” yet they make sure to sing every part of this new radio song and make sure to repeat everything again. Is it just me or do these new “worship” songs repeat themselves like crazy?
    They do keep repeating lyrics in the relatively new "worship music" that is popular in churches today. I once decided to count and they sang the same lyrics 15 times in a row! No thank you.

    As far as hymns, I personally like those much better. As you say many times they skip verses to save time. Many times they will sing the first and last verse. This doesn't bother me as much.
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    This goes on all the time where I attend. One reason is the placement of hymns and the minister's sermon duration. Our services are supposed to last an hour and we have a long winded minister. Not many people are willing to stand for 7 verses of a hymn when they want to get on with their Sunday.

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    I lead singing at church often, have for years. Many hymnals have already chopped out song verses. I tend to do a complete selection for the Communion Hymn and the hymn right before the lesson. Often I keep others to 3 verses. What aggravates me is when the power-pointeer only gives 2 verses rather than what I selected...lol.

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    There's another reason verses are cut, although it's related to keeping the hymns short.

    You keep the hymns short to keep the service moving along.

    You keep the service moving along so that it is interesting.

    You keep it interesting so that parishioners will return.

    You want parishioners to return so that your church doesn't stagnate and die.

    Church attendance is down nationwide.

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    Generally, I have seen that the music director knows about how long the music should go for in each part of the Mass and picks verses accordingly. I do not mind if a verse or two are skipped if it means that the ones with the most applicability to the readings or feast day are sung.

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    Things have changed since my last post in this thread from 2013. In 2016 I resigned from my previous church position and took an organist/pianist position in a much larger Lutheran church.

    We do selected verses of the hymns ... not for the sake of time, but to include those verses whose words apply the best to the theme of a particular service. Careful thought is done and approval by the pastors before that hymn list is published and made available to the music staff a month in advance.

    At communion we usually sing all the verses ... the pastors will have the congregation stand for the final part of the last communion hymn. If, and only if we are running late, I, as the organist, have the sole discretion to cut verses for the sake of time. If it's 10:22am and the next service needs to start at 10:30am (which is another building other than the sanctuary) the pastors need sufficient time to recess/greet parishioners before moving on to the next service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    There's another reason verses are cut, although it's related to keeping the hymns short.

    You keep the hymns short to keep the service moving along.

    You keep the service moving along so that it is interesting.

    You keep it interesting so that parishioners will return.

    You want parishioners to return so that your church doesn't stagnate and die.

    Church attendance is down nationwide.

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    Church attendance is up in the churches I attend. The worship is loud and vibrant and attuned to the modern idiom. People don't seem to realise that the worship (eg) of the Wesleys was revolutionary in its day yet still want to keep with the old traditions which are now out of synch with the modern generation. Unfortunately if we keep to the old traditions they will die off with that generation.

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    Taggart: "In non-conformist churches ..." you mean evangelical, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Festus View Post
    Taggart: "In non-conformist churches ..." you mean evangelical, correct?
    I was thinking (initially) of the Calvinist tradition e.g. the multifarious branches of Scottish Presbyterianism.
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    In my church we will sing 3 of 4 verses or all four, but on longer hymns with more than 4 verses, we generally don't sing the whole hymn. We do sing for 15 minutes before church (30 minutes on Wednesday). Also a hymn after the first reading (Old Testament) and another hymn after the sermon. We don't have a liturgy, which is great after 35 years in the Lutheran church, I am happy to have more hymns and no liturgy. We (shoiuld say they as I am musically incompetent) sing all four harmony lines, which messes me up but sounds wonderful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haydnguy View Post
    They do keep repeating lyrics in the relatively new "worship music" that is popular in churches today. I once decided to count and they sang the same lyrics 15 times in a row! No thank you.

    As far as hymns, I personally like those much better. As you say many times they skip verses to save time. Many times they will sing the first and last verse. This doesn't bother me as much.
    Of course similar comments such as these were made about the 'new' hymns by Watts and Wesley in the 18th century. People feel safe the their style of worship is not threatened by change.

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