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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I suspect most likely the DDD is a lie, and that they are the same.
    The Denon sure sounds DDD to me.
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    Joseph Szigetti Complete Columbia Album Collection from Sony on 17 CDs

    12/11/2020 Release Date

    https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/det...t/hnum/9023806

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    His 4th? 5th?

    Unfortunately I can't say I've ever been moved by Barenboim's playing, of Beethoven or anyone else (I'm a fan of his conducting however) so I won't be going for this one, but I will be curious to note if Barenboim aficionados find this one superior to the previous efforts.
    It's a new one, found this on the internet
    https://amp.theguardian.com/music/20...hat-i-would-do
    So it is his fourth cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    The Denon sure sounds DDD to me.
    I can't tell the difference between ADD and DDD. In any event, the DDD on the original set only applies to some of the recordings - others were made a few years before DDD was a thing. The new set contains the same recordings, mastered from the original tapes, which may or may not be a sonic improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Unfortunately I can't say I've ever been moved by Barenboim's playing, of Beethoven
    I've not been moved by his Beethoven recordings, either, but I heard him play Beethoven in Boston about a decade ago, and thought that he was pretty impressive, with a wonderful touch on the keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    With the 2nd set listed I'm still not sure if these are the same cycle..

    I have the Denon set, top one, and on the back it says DDD.
    The Back of the Supraphon set says AAD.
    It is confusing, but the back of the new Supraphon set says "licensed from Nippon Columbia", i.e., Denon. The timings and recording dates also match the Denon set, and an online discography shows that the Smetana only recorded one complete cycle. Don't know if the remastering is any improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    His 4th? 5th?

    Unfortunately I can't say I've ever been moved by Barenboim's playing, of Beethoven or anyone else (I'm a fan of his conducting however) so I won't be going for this one, but I will be curious to note if Barenboim aficionados find this one superior to the previous efforts.
    I have his previous 3 outings but admit that I don't pull them out frequently as they don't do much for me. Barenboim hasn't always been most "precise" pianist (there are a lot of bad/flubbed notes all over his EMI cycle) so I'm curious how he plays some of those sonatas at his age and with what degree of accuracy.
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    The new Supraphon Smetana Quartet Beethoven cycle is the late 1970s-early 80s Japanese Denon cycle, remastered. There was also an earlier Smetana Beethoven cycle recorded either by Supraphon or EMI in the 1960s; although there is some debate about whether it was completely finished (they may have come up three quartets short...?). I vaguely recall once reading that it was a complete cycle, but I can't remember where I read that, and I've only ever seen the late quartets appear on CD (recorded between 1961-70): https://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Str...s=music&sr=1-2

    As for the later Denon cycle, the Smetana Quartet were at their best in the late quartets, IMO, and least best in the early quartets, since they were an older group by the 1980s, having been formed in 1945. (They disbanded several years after completing this cycle in 1989.) For greater technical finesse, I'd more strongly recommend the Alban Berg Quartet 1 (in the studio) & Gewandhaus Quartet in the early quartets.

    However, I wouldn't want to be without any of the Smetana Quartet's Beethoven (& Mozart) quartet recordings, as they're one of my favorite groups. Check out their Op. 132, for instance, which I tend to use a a measuring stick when comparing Beethoven quartets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7lL...v8jEU&index=63. They play the Op. 132 quartet with a considerable amount of depth and insight, and more so than most other groups. In my own pantheon, I'd place the Busch Quartet, Quartetto Italiano, the Takacs Quartet, & the 2nd (live) Alban Berg Quartet recording of the late quartets in the same league with them, in that regard.

    As for sound quality, I don't know if the new Hi-Res 24 bit/192 kHz remasters represent an improvement over the earlier Denon release or not. It doesn't sound like it to me--at least, when listening on You Tube, & it may be even worse; however, the sound on YT could well be misleading. I plan on buying the newly remastered cycle at some point, so I'll be comparing the two in the future... However, I will say that historically speaking, Supraphon was never known for offering exceptional sound quality, and in contrast, Denon was once known for their 'state of the art' audiophile engineering, & especially back in the late 1970s & 1980s. In fact, there was no comparison between the two labels in that regard-- that is, until Supraphon began to team up with Denon on joint projects, such as this one. I also recall that the original Denon recordings once sounded excellent on LP.

    (EDIT: Here, the sound samples are more ample and warmer than on You Tube: https://www.supraphon.com/album/5715...tring-quartets.)

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    Well. I will be getting it next month.
    I want to see if the sound is ant better.
    Plus the Denon is all in Japanese.
    Plus the new packaging is much classier.
    I really like the cycle.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    New cycle. Volume 1 released tomorrow.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

    "Man does not live by bread alone......"

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    Alexandre Tharaud - Le poète du piano


    Due for release on 23rd Oct 2020
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    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

    "Man does not live by bread alone......"

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