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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    We could open "Cafe Labels" where we could discuss rare and historical labels and how "ethical" are their releases considering intellectual property. I found nothing about Archipel Ltd. and I'd love to know.
    I do wonder the same about Archipel.
    https://naxosdirect.com/items/mozart...-k.-626-232194

    What a great recording. It would be great to know that every intellectual property is being respected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowdancer View Post
    I do wonder the same about Archipel.


    What a great recording. It would be great to know that every intellectual property is being respected.



    I add this wonderful Bruckner 8 by Knappertsbusch.

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    Brahms: The Complete Songs Volume 7 (Benjamin Appl)

    Benjamin Appl (baritone), Graham Johnson (piano)

    Out mid March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    This looks suspiciously similar to the set issued by Music and Arts a couple of years ago. Is Ars Nova a legimate label?
    Wkasimir and other fellow cd-shoppers who wants to have a clear conscience while buying good music:
    The Schneider Quartet's Haydn recordings are probably in the public domain - that means the copyright has expired and it's free for ALL and ANYONE to release them on cd.

    I think re-releasing old recordings of classical music is a "con amore"-project - The people involved would probably be lucky to break even on a release like that...

    If you look at the amazon sale's rank for what I think must be an earlier release of the same recordings??? on amazon - here is the link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Haydn-Strin...neider+quartet ?
    you will notice that it is number 508,192 in the category: "albums" on the amazon sales rank - SO: what that tells me is that the sales are very limited. We are just lucky that anyone cares enough about this music to keep these old recordings in print. + edited to add: and if the people involved in making that sort of releases earn a few "peanuts" from it - may God bless them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ras View Post
    Wkasimer and other fellow cd-shoppers who wants to have a clear conscience while buying good music:
    The Schneider Quartet's Haydn recordings are probably in the public domain - that means the copyright has expired and it's free for ALL and ANYONE to release them on cd.
    They may be in the public domain, but my question was more about what "Ars Nova" is using as its source. Did they do their own transfers from LP, as M&A did, or did they simply "borrow" those M&A transfers for their own issue? M&A, a company that consistently produces excellent products, has been victimized by this sort of behavior before (IIRC, another label lifted their transfer of the 1950 La Scala RING).

    Unfortunately, there are a number of labels that engage in this sort of behavior, as well as some online vendors. It's not hard to tell who's doing it, because their products don't indicate their sources. Legitimate labels of historic material, like M&A, Marston,, Orfeo, Audite, Naxos Historical, and a few others, always credit their sources, as well as their transfer engineers. Other labels - Archipel, Andromeda, Documents, Opera d'Oro spring to mind, but there are plenty of others - never provide this information, which suggests to me that they're engaging in some form of theft. I suspect that Pristine is also sometimes guilty as well. Andrew Rose usually indicates his sources, but there are occasions when it's hard to imagine that he didn't simply steal someone else's transfer, tart it up, and issue it as his own. On his website, for example, he does not reveal his source for the 1953 Bayreuth Ring, and when queried (several times), he has not provided an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    They may be in the public domain, but my question was more about what "Ars Nova" is using as its source. Did they do their own transfers from LP, as M&A did, or did they simply "borrow" those M&A transfers for their own issue? M&A, a company that consistently produces excellent products, has been victimized by this sort of behavior before (IIRC, another label lifted their transfer of the 1950 La Scala RING).

    Unfortunately, there are a number of labels that engage in this sort of behavior, as well as some online vendors. It's not hard to tell who's doing it, because their products don't indicate their sources. Legitimate labels of historic material, like M&A, Marston,, Orfeo, Audite, Naxos Historical, and a few others, always credit their sources, as well as their transfer engineers. Other labels - Archipel, Andromeda, Documents, Opera d'Oro spring to mind, but there are plenty of others - never provide this information, which suggests to me that they're engaging in some form of theft. I suspect that Pristine is also sometimes guilty as well. Andrew Rose usually indicates his sources, but there are occasions when it's hard to imagine that he didn't simply steal someone else's transfer, tart it up, and issue it as his own. On his website, for example, he does not reveal his source for the 1953 Bayreuth Ring, and when queried (several times), he has not provided an answer.
    Thank you for the explanation, Bill!
    The problem you were addressing then was the copyright for the re-masters rather than the copyright on the original material.
    Stealing somebody else's remasters is a callous act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I assume that these are the same recordings that Testament issued a decade or so ago.
    Is there a track listing somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holden4th View Post
    Is there a track listing somewhere?

    Did you try the Presto site?
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    9th March, 2018

    From prestoclassical.co.uk

    "Live recordings from Austrian Radio broadcasts (ORF) released for the very first time by one of the greatest musicians of all time.
    The Schumann Piano Concerto requires virtually everything a pianist should have to offer: poetry, virtuosity, poised restraint – Brendel passes the test on all accounts with his passionate, insightful and refreshing interpretation.
    On this Schumann Piano Concerto performance, taken from Brendel’s 70th Birthday residency in 2001, with the inestimable partners in Sir Simon Rattle and the Wiener Philharmoniker, Alfred Brendel writes that “listening to this live recording I felt that, for once, I heard what I wanted to hear”.
    Brahms “Handel” Variations are what many consider to be the most imposing piece of its kind composed in the four decades that separate it from Beethoven’s “Diabelli” Variations.
    A work with a wealth of different characters, colour and masterful disposition. The Fugue in particular is something to marvel at with its contrapuntal and pianistic power. Even Wagner had to concede that the result was impressive, “One sees what can still be done with the old forms when someone comes along who knows how to handle them”.
    Brendel has never recorded the Brahms “Handel” Variations in the studio which makes this his first commercially available recording of the work."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Did you try the Presto site?
    Yes, thank for the tip but nothing there.

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    Another in a series of Japanese SACD-only releases. I just ordered a copy from CD Japan.

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    Yeah, it looks promising because the ones available from Japan before were UHQCD. This could mean that DG has remastered audio from the original tapes and they release them to the Japanese market. If they complete with 1-3, we could have a remastered set ready to repackage and sell. The last box with Karajan's Bruckner was released 10 years ago and had no particular remaster.

    Looking forward for them. Warner, Eugen Jochum is next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post


    Yeah, it looks promising because the ones available from Japan before were UHQCD. This could mean that DG has remastered audio from the original tapes and they release them to the Japanese market. If they complete with 1-3, we could have a remastered set ready to repackage and sell. The last box with Karajan's Bruckner was released 10 years ago and had no particular remaster.

    Looking forward for them. Warner, Eugen Jochum is next.
    Yes, they used the original tapes to create a DSD remastered production master. If 7-9 sound appreciably better than the original CDs or LPs (I have both), then I'll buy 4-6.
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    A new SACD on the Pentatone label. It will be interesting to compare it to Ugorski's version on DG.

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