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    Default Do You Think Monteverdi's Operas Are In a Class With Mozart?

    From the blog of Lisa Hirsch:

    It is especially crazy to omit Monteverdi [from a top 10 list of greatest composers], who operates right on the edge between the Renaissance and the modern. He didn't invent opera, but he wrote operas that are in a class with Mozart's; he wrote great secular works and great sacred works.

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    Here's why I rank "The Coronation of Poppea" up there: the music is great and the opera is put together with the same level of genius and finish as Nozze. The plot is even more complex. We have Nero's relationship with the courtesan Poppea and the breakup of his marriage to Ottavia, who is sent into exile. We have Nero's relationship with his teacher, the great philosopher Seneca, a serious and important relationship. We have his friendship with the poet Lucano. We have the relationships between Ottavia and Poppea and their respective nurses; one of these is a comic drag role, amazingly, lending an astonishingly (and anachronistically) modern touch to the opera. We have the loving sacrifices of Drusilla and Ottone, who flee when Ottone is exiled. We have frolicking and innocent youngsters in love, too. We have the whole political world of Rome and its astonishing corruption, exemplified both by Nero's desire to discard Ottavia for Poppea and in his willingness to send his beloved teacher Seneca to his death in order to preserve his power as Emperor.

    So besides the grand political workings-out, which are comparable, perhaps, to Don Carlo and Simon Boccanegra, we have just about every variety of human love, all wrapped up in magnificent music, music that's passionate or austere by turns.


    Does anyone here dispute her ranking of Poppea alongside The Marriage of Figaro? Or her saying that his other operas are in a class with Mozart?

    I know at least 2 people who strongly disagreed:..... "Not on this planet"

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    whilst we're on personal opinions: I don't think - at least at this point - that anybody else's operas are in a class with Mozart's. However, I would take Poppea over Don Carlo and Boccanegra without a second thought.

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    Of course! How not?

    Monteverdi's Poppea is one of the sublime works of western art - as a work of genius it ranks with other works of genius, among which I include Mozart's Nozze, Cosi and Don G. Orfeo and the Return of Ulysses are also masterpieces IMO.

    Lisa speaketh truly.

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    Yes, in my opinion Monteverdi's operas are marvellous and I like them just as much (if not more) than Mozart's. I prefer L'Orfeo to Die Zauberflöte anyway.

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    Monteverdi's operas are equalled only by the yearly trash of Hong Kong.
    Doch dieses Wörtlein: und, -wär' es zerstört,
    wie anders als mit Isoldes eignem Leben wär' Tristan der Tod gegeben?

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    Oh, it's apples and pears... But I'll say NO anyway

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    Respighi's Monteverdi's Orfeo is in a class of its own.

    It's seems to me the argument of the thread is if Mozart operas are the golden standard and that's not the case as far as I am concerned despite how good they are.

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