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    I'm sure most people here see Rutter as a bunch of cheesy fluff (and some of it is, don't get me wrong), but I'm a fan of Rutter and my grandmother has sung a lot of his music in her choral group and has met him in person.

    His Magnificat, Gloria, and Requiem are my favorites, but I also like some of his smaller pieces like "Shepherd's Pipe Carol" and "King Jesus Hath a Garden".

    Anyone like any of the music of Rutter? Have any recommendations?
    A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

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    I'd also recommend the "Donkey Carol" and "Star Carol".
    Also, the Petite Suite and Mass of the Children are nice. I wouldn't put them on the level of Beethoven's 5th, but still, they're great for a rainy day.

    There is a place in the world for cheesy fluff, in my opinion. Just not too much of it!

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    I haven't heard too much of Rutter, but I love his Requiem. I will certainly listen to some of the suggestions here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Anyone like any of the music of Rutter? Have any recommendations?
    I recommend to stop listening to Rutter. Problem solved.
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    I disagree with Neo Romanza; John Rutter seems to have gotten past the habit he had for a while of having all his introductions sound alike; the music itself didn't, just the introductions. Of his carols, my favorite is the Candlelight Carol, though I like quite a bit of his music. Listen to "For the Beauty of the Earth" (I directed that this past summer in the version for women's voices). I do like the Requiem. My chief impression of Rutter is that he knows how to write a memorable and singable melody, and that is no mean feat, and if anyone thinks that is old hat, so be it!

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    I like Rutter in small doses. He fills his niche better than, say, Albrecht and Althouse....
    My favorite by him is the Christmas carol arrangement "Tomorrow shall be my dancing day"
    Heather W. Reichgott, piano
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    ^Yes, love that you mentioned that! His arrangement of "Tomorrow Shall Be My Dancing Day" is beautiful.
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    I really like Rutter's Requiem. I haven't really enjoyed many of his other things as much, but I never understood why he gets such a bad rep.

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    I'm sorry, but Rutter is, to me, far to saccharine to bear in any but the smallest doses. He is kind of like the Leroy Anderson of choral music. I much prefer the music of Randall Thompson. Especially "The Last Words of David".
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icMGFh48LYU
    Just as an aside, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir has a CD of several of Thompsons works. Their performance of The Last Words of David is very powerful. It also includes Thompsons settings of some Robert Frost poems.

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    I like Randall Thompson as well, especially "Place of the Blest".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rborganist View Post
    I disagree with Neo Romanza; John Rutter seems to have gotten past the habit he had for a while of having all his introductions sound alike; the music itself didn't, just the introductions. Of his carols, my favorite is the Candlelight Carol, though I like quite a bit of his music. Listen to "For the Beauty of the Earth" (I directed that this past summer in the version for women's voices). I do like the Requiem. My chief impression of Rutter is that he knows how to write a memorable and singable melody, and that is no mean feat, and if anyone thinks that is old hat, so be it!
    He still produces sugary pap, rborganist. Listen to a choral work by Rutter and then listen to one by Gretchaninov, for example, and you'll quickly notice Rutter's lack of anything substantial to say musically is well evident. Easy listening he is, but that's all. Writing a memorable melody isn't important and if it is to you, then maybe it's best that you stick to the bubblegum schtick of Rutter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo Romanza View Post
    He still produces sugary pap, rborganist. Listen to a choral work by Rutter and then listen to one by Gretchaninov, for example, and you'll quickly notice Rutter's lack of anything substantial to say musically is well evident. Easy listening he is, but that's all. Writing a memorable melody isn't important and if it is to you, then maybe it's best that you stick to the bubblegum schtick of Rutter.
    Could not disagree more with that statement. Rutter is a little sugary, there's no doubt about that, but plenty of excellent composers far above the abilities of Rutter write memorable melodies and they are often important to their works.
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    I have to say that as a chorister 'For the beauty of the earth' was one of my favourites, and 'Gaelic Blessing' is lovely too. It's interesting that there is the love/hate thing people have for Rutter! Are there other composers out there that people have a similar reaction to?

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    I must confess I have a problem with a man who makes his living creating religious music and is not a believer himself!

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    Question Believers?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I must confess I have a problem with a man who makes his living creating religious music and is not a believer himself!
    Interesting. Do you also have problems with Brahms, Britten, Fauré, Vaughn Williams and Verdi (all of these composers and many others who have composed religious music were atheist/agnostics)?

    See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_agnostics

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_music
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