View Poll Results: How do you like your Scarlatti?

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  • Harpsichord

    18 62.07%
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    12 41.38%
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    5 17.24%
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Thread: Scarlatti sonata instrumentation

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    I came to know Scarlatti's sonatas through piano interpretations (particularly those by Ivo Pogorelich and Alexandre Tharaud). But listening to Andreas Staier's harpsichord recordings, it just feels more... right, somehow. So I'm interested in what folks here have to say about it all. I'm also interested in people's preferred recordings for each instrument.

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    Scott Ross' harpsichord. But does my vote count if I've only listened to about 30 of them?

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    I really likes Ivo Pogorelić CD with selection of Scarlatti sonatas on piano. I'm in the "we can't stand harpsichord no matter what it plays" camp.

    It's not one of these instruments that were replaced by DIFFRENT instruments, it's one of these that were replaced by BETTER ones. The sound of piano is simply richer and offers more possibilities of interpretation. Not even a full century after Scarlatti died, Chopin came to the afterworld and told him: "I really love you sonatas, but I play them on piano". "What's piano?" asked Scarlatti, and they descended back to mortal realm so Chopin could demonstrate on his own Pleyel. Ever since, Scarlatti lies down from time to time on his favourite cloud and wonders: "how could I write so much music for this awful instrument I despise so much?"
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    Best on a harpsichord, but I have a sneaking regard for the Avison 12 Concerti Grossi after Scarlatti published in 1744. These include fifty movements by Scarlatti . Many of the movements, though by no means all, came from Scarlatti's "Essercizi" (binary one-movement sonatas) which had been published in London by the Irish composer Thomas Roseingrave in 1739.
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    Wanda Landowska on the harpsichord. Listen for the anti-aircraft guns in the background.

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    As a minor remark, there´s also Casella´s "Scarlattiana" for piano and orchestra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fVGdY-uV5Y, and Shostakovich´s two transcriptions for wind orchestra op.17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ9rl0uAyzk

    Overall I prefer the piano sound to that of the harpsichord, though I do find the harpsichord interesting in ensemble or orchestral works. For solo harpsichord music, I like a really heavy sound with a lot of bass and spaciousness, but can´t immediately mention a recording of Scarlatti like that; any suggestions would be welcome ...

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    On piano, Horowitz for his limited selection, Tipo (for Ricordi Milan) for a more extensive set. Pogorelich and Pletnev are also interesting.

    On harpsichord, Igor Kipnis. The recordings by Valenti (for Westminster) are worth checking out for the dynamics he was able to produce, though there is too much resonance to suit me. They also meet the 'spaciouness' requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    On piano, Horowitz for his limited selection, Tipo (for Ricordi Milan) for a more extensive set. Pogorelich and Pletnev are also interesting.

    On harpsichord, Igor Kipnis. The recordings by Valenti (for Westminster) are worth checking out for the dynamics he was able to produce, though there is too much resonance to suit me. They also meet the 'spaciouness' requirement.
    Thanks, I see there´s a good deal on you-t such as (..deleted..), which seems attractive. Those old LPs can be found here from time to time too.
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    Edit concerning the post above - I´ve searched several Valenti tracks but wrongly copied the link to the first of them, which had poor sound - it should have been this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVNYD0CjQE
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    I think all but about 70 sonatas can be played on a single keyboard. It's often debatable which instrument Scarlatti was writing for -- organ, piano or harpsichord. There's a fantastic new CD by Enrico Baiano which explores these issues:

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    I must say I haven't found any really satisfying organ recordings, please suggest one if you know of one. Maybe someone could comment on this, which I find a bit intriguing because I like the way Thiery Mechler plays Art o Fugue:

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    I think that Scarlatti is very hard to play on a modern piano and most times pianists make the music either too smooth or too flash. Part of the problem is that traditional modern piano tuning tends to smooth out dissonances. Some of the Naxos Scarlatti series is very interesting though - Benjamin Frith especially, and Evgeny Zarafiants and Beatrice Long.

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    I disagree that the piano is always suitable for all kinds of music. I can say so because I like Leonhardt on the harpsichord better than Gould on the piano for the Goldberg Variations. Scarlatti, I like on harpsichord but my favourite is guitar since it brings out the Spanish flavour of the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shangoyal View Post
    I disagree that the piano is always suitable for all kinds of music. I can say so because I like Leonhardt on the harpsichord better than Gould on the piano for the Goldberg Variations. Scarlatti, I like on harpsichord but my favourite is guitar since it brings out the Spanish flavour of the music.


    Us sophisticated types believe that the harpsichord brings out the Spanish flavor at exactly the appropriate degree. Using a guitar over-Spanish-izes the music for our tastes. I would elaborate, but my monocle keeps falling off, and I need to adjust my squint.
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    I found Frith in the John Field Concerti/Naxos and Zafirants in Scriabin/Naxos quite anonymous, but their Scarlatti is better?

    As for piano recordings, I own mainly Horowitz, Pogorelich, Weissenberg and Gilels.

    On harpsichord, some Marlowe, Beckett and Sgrizzi - rather random selections.

    All of it on LP, not a high priority field for me so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post


    Us sophisticated types believe that the harpsichord brings out the Spanish flavor at exactly the appropriate degree. Using a guitar over-Spanish-izes the music for our tastes. I would elaborate, but my monocle keeps falling off, and I need to adjust my squint.
    Yup, that makes sense, I am new to Scarlatti's music, so I am probably in the fresh phase where I can take all the Spanish-ness I can get.

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