View Poll Results: Who do you prefer: Horne or Podles?

Voters
5. You may not vote on this poll
  • Ewa Podles

    3 60.00%
  • Marilyn Horne

    2 40.00%
Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Who's your favorite: Marilyn Horne or Ewa Podles

  1. #1
    Senior Member Seattleoperafan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    2,464
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Who's your favorite: Marilyn Horne or Ewa Podles

    These two extraordinary singers possessing extremely rare vocal abilities have sung many of the same roles. Who do you prefer and why: Marilyn Horne and Ewa Powdles?I've heard both live but Horne was near the end of her career and in a recital so I don't think I heard her at her best. Powdles has a pronounced lisp, but I prefer the darker timbre of her voice and the greater security for her amazing high notes ( up to Eb). On the other hand Horne made it all seem so easy and when I heard Powdles in her 50's she had to move around a lot to get her enormous voice to do coloratura.
    Last edited by Seattleoperafan; Nov-21-2013 at 03:08.

  2. #2
    Senior Member deggial's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Boisvert
    Posts
    1,738
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    impossible to choose, they're both great in their own ways.

  3. Likes Seattleoperafan liked this post
  4. #3
    Senior Member Seattleoperafan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    2,464
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    If heard Podles as Adalgisa and if I could hear either her or Horne paired with Sutherland in Norma, I'd take Horne. I guess that says something.

  5. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,481
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I prefer Ewa Podleś, because her voice doesn't have the matronish sound that prevents me from being real fan of Horne.


  6. #5
    Senior Member deggial's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Boisvert
    Posts
    1,738
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    ^ you do have a point with the matronish sound (ever heard her Romeo? oi), but it's only sometimes evident and when it's not she's wonderful. I simply love her Isabella in L'italiana and in fact most of her Rossini roles.

  7. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,481
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I've heard her in Rossini most often and my lukewarm impression is largely based on her roles like Tancredi, Rosina or Isabella.

  8. #7
    Senior Member deggial's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Boisvert
    Posts
    1,738
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    good thing you reminded me, I'm going to check out her Tancredi, I can't remember if I heard it in its entirety yet (ha, if I did it surely did not make an impression).

  9. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Madrid, Spain
    Posts
    4,376
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I've heard both live, though Horne was already in her fifties.

    I was thrilled by Podles singing Tancredi in Madrid back in the 1990s (she sang again the role in Madrid a few years back, but it was not the same thing), one of my best opera nights ever. Horne was also an outstanding Tancredi, of course. She was however 55 when I listened to her singing the role in Barcelona, ten years older than Podles in Madrid. If I would have to choose, and even if Horne was such a superb Tancredi, I think Podles's voice was closer to what we could dream about Adelaide Malanotte's, and she would be my election.

    Apart from this role, in my view Marilyn Horne is a legendary singer, and Ewa Podles will be not.

  10. #9
    Senior Member deggial's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Boisvert
    Posts
    1,738
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by schigolch View Post
    Apart from this role, in my view Marilyn Horne is a legendary singer, and Ewa Podles will be not.
    care to elaborate?

    (btw, I just listened to her 1977 Tancredi and it was excellent aside from the odd vibrato).

  11. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Madrid, Spain
    Posts
    4,376
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I meant that Marilyn Horne is already a legend, in the operatic world. And my personal opinion is that this status is well deserved.

    On the other hand, Ms. Podles is far from being so almost universally loved. She is still active, and of course we don't know what will happen ten, fifteen years from now. However, if I was required to place a bet, I would put my money that she would never reach the recognition gathered by Ms. Horne.

  12. #11
    Senior Member Seattleoperafan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    2,464
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I forgot to say that despite the glorious vocals, Podles' acting is Krakow 1960. Horne was very believable as Carmen at least vocally.
    Last edited by Seattleoperafan; Nov-22-2013 at 03:52.

  13. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    4,481
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I also feel that Podleś won't be as iconic as Horne, but that has little to do with the quality of what the two ladies are doing. In operatic pantheon, sometimes the true greatness finds itself lying under the pedestal of mediocrity. As far as possible reasons go, I suppose there might be two: Horne's long cooperation with Joan Sutherland and the association between the two and the repertoire (as far as I know, Podleś is singing somewhat less glamorous stuff).

    And, by the way, what's with the "Powdles" - if you're actually pronouncing the English "w", I have no idea where it came from, but I assure you no such phone can be found in the sound of her name with best intentions.
    Last edited by Aramis; Nov-21-2013 at 21:54.

  14. Likes Couac Addict liked this post
  15. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Madrid, Spain
    Posts
    4,376
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Well, there are other possible reasons, to my ears.

    Ms. Podles's voice is a miracle, but her timbre is so different in the low notes and the high notes, that in her worst moments she is almost two singers in one. The colour of her low notes is also not immediately likable. Her legato, especially when there are quick zone changes in the score, is not precisely flawless. The emission is 'cupa', with the occasional abuse of the glottis. On the other hand, she has stupendous breath control, and is (or rather, was, she is already 60 years old) capable of amazing coloratura for such a big voice.

    When I heard her Tancredi for the first time, in 1997. I was amazed... To me, it was going back all the way to 1813 and listen to Malanotte. A dream. An operatic dream, but a dream nonetheless. I *never* go to visit the singers after a performance, but this time I did, just to say 'thanks'. Then again, in 2007 she was no longer capable of such incredible vocal feats. But the way she was able to sing with an almost Spartan sobriety, being still such a good portrait of a young and idealistic warrior, a true hero, was really touching.

    But as much as I love Ms. Podles singing Tancredi, I'm afraid many people are not ready to forget her shortcomings (or, at least, what they perceive as her shortcomings), for the sake of her (great) virtues.

    On the other hand, Ms. Horne is just short of perfection in many roles she had tackled. And even in roles that are difficult for her, such as Azucena, listen to the way she performs exactly what's written in the score here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDT4rct_n1A

    I was surprised by reading that Ms. Horne was sounding rather motherly as Adalgisa. Well, I'm one for giving back to Adalgisa her true self as a 'seconda donna', a soprano lighter and more lyrical than Norma. True, we have heard many mezzos singing Adalgisa, that would fit better unloading cargo in a wharf, than playing around with a Roman official in the Gallic forests. But Ms. Horne's timbre, if not (in my view) the ideal one for the role, was however able to produce some almost ethereal, pure, crystalline singing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ZoNP2gZgg

  16. Likes Seattleoperafan, deggial liked this post
  17. #14
    Senior Member deggial's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Boisvert
    Posts
    1,738
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by schigolch View Post
    Well, I'm one for giving back to Adalgisa her true self as a 'seconda donna', a soprano lighter and more lyrical than Norma. True, we have heard many mezzos singing Adalgisa, that would fit better unloading cargo in a wharf, than playing around with a Roman official in the Gallic forests.
    I concur, even as a big fan of mezzos. Some roles just ain't for them, no matter how you slice it.

    cheers for expounding. I really enjoy Podles for what she is (so different than other singers) and to me there is no way such a unique singer won't enter legend, although I concede she's more likely to get a niche of the legend.

  18. #15
    Senior Member Seattleoperafan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    2,464
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HX64u_BmUQ
    This is a compilation of Ewa Podles range from the second B below Middle C to high Eb. Truly amazing!!!!! Wisdom would advise her not to sing with those powerful chest notes as it might ruin her voice, but she is nearly 60, still singing wonderfully, and can still blow one away!!!!!

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 178
    Last Post: Feb-22-2015, 08:54
  2. Favorite Scriabin Preludes, favorite recordings
    By clavichorder in forum Solo & Chamber Music
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: Nov-23-2013, 07:57
  3. James W Horne jr new jersey! newbie
    By lasakulas in forum New Members - Introductions
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: Dec-19-2012, 19:21
  4. Johnny Depp to be featured on Marilyn Manson's new album
    By nicholany in forum Non-Classical Music
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Mar-28-2012, 04:17
  5. Ewa Podles Coloratura Contralto
    By Philmwri in forum Opera
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: Apr-10-2011, 09:41

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •