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    Here is one for you opera buffs...

    I desperately need to know the tempo of this trumpet excerpt attached from Verdi's Il Trovatore. I think it is from Act II Scene III but I can't seem to find a recording of it.

    Can you help?

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    I think it's baritone cabaletta, Per me ora fatale:


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    The tempo is at the top of the page. Allegro assai mosso

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    I think it's baritone cabaletta, Per me ora fatale:

    Thanks Aramis, you are the man, that is spot on, cudos to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couac Addict View Post
    The tempo is at the top of the page. Allegro assai mosso
    Thanks Couac Addict, I was thinking that is up for a wide variety of interpretation but wanted something more exact like MM marking or video such as that from Aramis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlove View Post
    Thanks Couac Addict, I was thinking that is up for a wide variety of interpretation but wanted something more exact like MM marking or video such as that from Aramis.
    But of course there is nothing exact about tempo (even with MM markings, which are usually only suggestions anyway). One man's allegro assai molto is another's andante. Why, even composers will sometimes perform their own music at different tempi on different occasions. Music, thank heavens, is not an exact science.

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    You're doing an audition, so depending on the pay for the job (or how much it means to you non-financially) you should be carefully listening to a decent number of respectable Il Travatore recordings (Met, La Scala etc) and imagining how you would play the part since you clearly don't know the excerpt already. Spotify, youtube, library - GO! Worth the time (as painful as it is to have to listen to Verdi)!

    Now: deep breath, big sound, a little vibrato (it is Italian, after all) and play super accurately and stylishy! Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMitchell View Post
    But of course there is nothing exact about tempo (even with MM markings, which are usually only suggestions anyway). One man's allegro assai molto is another's andante. Why, even composers will sometimes perform their own music at different tempi on different occasions. Music, thank heavens, is not an exact science.
    Quite right. Allegro means 80bpm here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couac Addict View Post
    Quite right. Allegro means 80bpm here

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    EEHEHEHEHE but Verdi obviously didn't write 80bpm you naive pancake, the exact tempo marks given by editor are not to be taken seriously, can you say Rubinstein got this Chopin waltz all wrong, I have this "100 cool pieces for keyboard" songbook and it says 80 bpm!!!!!! or what
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    EEHEHEHEHE but Verdi obviously didn't write 80bpm you naive pancake, the exact tempo marks given by editor are not to be taken seriously, can you say Rubinstein got this Chopin waltz all wrong, I have this "100 cool pieces for keyboard" songbook and it says 80 bpm!!!!!! or what
    Where's a 'sarcastic' smiley when you need one.

    I'm almost certain that directors are slowing the tempo for Wagner's operas. Surely Wagner didn't expect me to sit through 5hrs of Meistersinger.

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