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    I saw a review on Amazon that stated that the Bernstein Haydn symphony box set on Sony is made up of CD-R's, not CD's.
    Is this happening now?
    Companies selling CD-R's?
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    I was shopping for a Turkish Ud album on the Rounder label 2-3 years ago. I noticed that Amazon would provide a CD-R on demand to complete the order. I was concerned about the longevity of the disc and it didn't sit well with me. I bought a like new used copy from a seller on the Amazon Marketplace. My copy appears to be a normal CD.

    I have also bought a fair number of the Xenakis albums on Mode. They all look slightly greenish and I suspect that these are CD-Rs. I was disappointed, considering that I paid premium prices for these editions. They play the same, but, again, I am concerned about their durability.

    A further concern is the recording quality. It would be easy for companies to burn lossy digital files onto the discs. Such discs would not be CD quality, which is one reason why many people prefer to buy CDs.

    I haven't noticed much of this happening yet, although Amazon has been doing it for a number of years. If the Mode discs really are CD-Rs, then we can expect to see more of this in the future.
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    I don't think the Bernstein Haydn box is CD-R. Those same CDs are in the Bernstein Symphonies box which I have, and it's replicated disks.

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    I've seen many places offering multiple download formats but the review the original poster mentions sounds very suspicious, I wouldn't buy from that seller again'.'

    I noticed some complaining about newer box sets discs from time-warner not being copy able, nor even conversion capable. I don't no whether this has any truth or not???
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
    I don't think the Bernstein Haydn box is CD-R. Those same CDs are in the Bernstein Symphonies box which I have, and it's replicated disks.
    The reviewer said the backwards C in front of Sony means CD-R.
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    Yes. I have had CD-Rs from Hyperion and Nimbus recently. The Nimbus ones won't play on my elderly but excellent 1994 CD player. Nimbus weren't for apologising and commented that it was a shame that my CD player hadn't been made to correct international standards (in fact it pre-dated them). The Hyperion ones do play, I must say. (My CD player is very fussy about the brand of CD-R it will deign to play!)

    Both companies point out that issuing CD-Rs makes it possible for them to keep reissuing recordings for which there is only a little demand, which seems a valid point.
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    CD-Rs are inferior to CDs -- the sound may be the same, but not the longevity. I have seen CD-Rs advertised by Amazon and elsewhere and can see why they might be necessary at times. But I would object VERY strongly to being sent CD-Rs without that being clearly stated up front.

    Also note that classical CD-Rs may include the original artwork and booklet, but they will usually be copied as well and will not be of the original quality.
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    Does anyone know if Sony is using them?

    And I agree with Ken. It needs to be boldly stated that that's what you're getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurnaboutVox View Post
    Yes. I have had CD-Rs from Hyperion and Nimbus recently. The Nimbus ones won't play on my elderly but excellent 1994 CD player. Nimbus weren't for apologising and commented that it was a shame that my CD player hadn't been made to correct international standards (in fact it pre-dated them). The Hyperion ones do play, I must say. (My CD player is very fussy about the brand of CD-R it will deign to play!)

    Both companies point out that issuing CD-Rs makes it possible for them to keep reissuing recordings for which there is only a little demand, which seems a valid point.
    Which ones, if I may ask?
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    I'll never buy CD-Rs, and I wish others wouldn't. It encourages more to get into this sub-standard recording business.

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    I see both points of views have merit. I would very much want to know up front if I was buying a CD-R.
    However in the case of an old esoteric recording long out of the catalogue, then like TurnaboutVox said in his post, If it was the only way of getting a recording then I would certainly buy it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaneyes View Post
    I'll never buy CD-Rs, and I wish others wouldn't. It encourages more to get into this sub-standard recording business.
    Agreed, but how do you know they are CD-R if its not stated.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaneyes View Post
    I'll never buy CD-Rs, and I wish others wouldn't. It encourages more to get into this sub-standard recording business.
    I've heard a similar argument against buying (or selling) MP3s, certainly "sub-standard recordings" to some. However they seem to satisfy a large market.


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    Not stated in the case of the Nimbus CDs - Czerny Piano Sonatas Vol. 2 - Martin Jones. The first I knew of them being CD-R's was when I couldn't play them and emailed Nimbus.

    I knew in advance in the case of the Hyperion discs as they were replacements for discs that had 'bronzed' and one of the three had been deleted. (Mendelssohn String Quartets - Coull Quartet). Hyperion were very good to communicate with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurnaboutVox View Post
    Not stated in the case of the Nimbus CDs - Czerny Piano Sonatas Vol. 2 - Martin Jones. The first I knew of them being CD-R's was when I couldn't play them and emailed Nimbus.
    Hmmm... Who did you buy them from? Sounds like a vendor to avoid.


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