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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Oh dear, you are loving it don't you.
    I am on another of my trips, totally focused in, but burnout often is at the end of the road, so I have to temper it by other listening interspersed.

    Right now I am listening exclusively to the 1869 and then sort of as appendices am separately listening to the Polish Scene and the Forest Scene. They seem to work better for me that way. The Tchakarov disk has the 1872 with much of the 1869 stuff also in it. As the book I linked above (post 43) notes, this is a "supersaturated" Boris with everything in the longest possible form. The St. Basil scene is included and the material cut from the 1869 is worked back in. The simpleton with the boys is heard both in the St. Basil scene and the Kromy Forest scene.

    I think the Gergiev 1872 may be the only one that is purely 1872, but I do like the St. Basil scene where the fool asks Boris to murder the kids as he did the tsaravich and then refuses to pray for Boris. That does not happen in the Kromy Forest because, obviously, Boris is not there.
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    Now here is an interesting recording:


    Acording to the listing of this recording on MusicWeb International,
    ...this recording of the unadulterated score has additional advantages in providing us with the chance to hear Boris Christoff and John Lanigan in the original score – when they came to record their roles commercially for EMI the Rimsky edition was employed.
    Can be purchased here: https://www.pristineclassical.com/paco123.html
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    Oh, an earworm taught me another reason to prefer the 1869 original. I just listened to the 1872 and it ends with the simpleton's song. That monotonous tune at the beginning of the Simpleton's song stuck in my head and was as annoying as if a 4-year-old were repeating something similar over and over. Listen here.
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    There is so much to like about the Tchakarov set:

    Though it says "original version" it is actually a "supersaturated" set (as one reviewer says) that has pretty much everything (1869 St. Basil's and 1872 Kromy Scenes, which means the simpleton losing his kopeck twice, but we can easily omit the second one by deleting track #20 of Disk 3). Gergiev is great for having the original and revised Mussorgsky versions, pretty much exactly. You can make a supersaturated of the Gergiev set by mixing a few items here and there, but it is nice to have it done for you in Tchakarov (or Semkow, which omits the second kopek loss for you). Most of the original version (typically meaning Mussorgsky vs Rimsky, not 1869 vs 1872) recordings are supersaturated, but some omit the St. Basil's Scene (e.g., Fedoseyev), yet include some stuff from the earlier 1869 version.

    I also find the female voices much nicer in the Tchakarov set than in the 1872 Gergeiv set.

    It came in a beautiful cardboard clamshell case, including a fat booklet with libertto and three jewel cases, each with a different and nice cover photo (my added numbers for viewing in my mp3 player):





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    I'm listening to the Tchakarov at the moment. I've finished the prologue and Act 1 and I am really enjoying it. Tchakarov is wonderful and what a sad loss he was to die so young. Does anyone know what he died of? I can't seem to find any indication on the net, certainly not in any language I can understand.
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    Barbebleu, I am interested in what your impression is of Boris' death on Tchakarov. I compared it to Gergiev and felt that it was more dramatic on Gergiev, but that could be due to Gergiev being recorded at a higher volume level.

    Nonetheless, I am very satisfied with the Tchakarov set and am especially focusing on Disk 2 which has most of the female vocals (Terem scene and Polish scenes).

    The more I listen to it, the more wonderful this opera becomes and though I am very much liking the 1869 as the closest to what Mussorgsky really wanted, it is wonderful to have a set like Tchakarov that is supersaturated to include pretty much everything from both 1869 and 1872.

    Also, I am sure the Rimsky orchestration is just wonderful, and in fact, my first listen through the whole opera was the Rimsky Bolshoi video on You Tube with English Subtitles, and it is a very good one. I guess we should thank Rimsky for giving us more options, though sometimes choices make life more complicated, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Barbebleu, I am interested in what your impression is of Boris' death on Tchakarov. I compared it to Gergiev and felt that it was more dramatic on Gergiev, but that could be due to Gergiev being recorded at a higher volume level.

    Nonetheless, I am very satisfied with the Tchakarov set and am especially focusing on Disk 2 which has most of the female vocals (Terem scene and Polish scenes).

    The more I listen to it, the more wonderful this opera becomes and though I am very much liking the 1869 as the closest to what Mussorgsky really wanted, it is wonderful to have a set like Tchakarov that is supersaturated to include pretty much everything from both 1869 and 1872.

    Also, I am sure the Rimsky orchestration is just wonderful, and in fact, my first listen through the whole opera was the Rimsky Bolshoi video on You Tube with English Subtitles, and it is a very good one. I guess we should thank Rimsky for giving us more options, though sometimes choices make life more complicated, eh?
    I'll let you know Flo when I get there. I love the Polish scene and I'm very happy with super saturated versions of Boris. I've got the Ermler and Feyodosev on order. I already have the Feyodosev on vinyl and it's a pain changing the sides so I'll be glad to have it on cd.
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    I just had Feyodosev checked out of the library. There is a really great bass, extremely deep voiced, on it. In keeping with the 1872 revisions, there is no St. Basil scene. Other cuts from 1869 are restored where scenes are common to both versions. Should be an excellent set.

    Ermler is Rimsky performed by the Bolshoi group and they are noted for being experts at performing Boris Godunov. The Bollshoi DVD was great.
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    I just have one Boris DVD and it's the one with Robert Lloyd as Boris. I find him difficult to watch because of his facial histrionics but his voice is wonderful so when he is singing I just kind of zone out of looking and just listen. The production is great and it is a very enjoyable Boris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    I just have one Boris DVD and it's the one with Robert Lloyd as Boris. I find him difficult to watch because of his facial histrionics but his voice is wonderful so when he is singing I just kind of zone out of looking and just listen. The production is great and it is a very enjoyable Boris.
    Am watching that one now. Next up is this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Barbebleu, I am interested in what your impression is of Boris' death on Tchakarov. I compared it to Gergiev and felt that it was more dramatic on Gergiev, but that could be due to Gergiev being recorded at a higher volume level.

    Nonetheless, I am very satisfied with the Tchakarov set and am especially focusing on Disk 2 which has most of the female vocals (Terem scene and Polish scenes).

    The more I listen to it, the more wonderful this opera becomes and though I am very much liking the 1869 as the closest to what Mussorgsky really wanted, it is wonderful to have a set like Tchakarov that is supersaturated to include pretty much everything from both 1869 and 1872.

    Also, I am sure the Rimsky orchestration is just wonderful, and in fact, my first listen through the whole opera was the Rimsky Bolshoi video on You Tube with English Subtitles, and it is a very good one. I guess we should thank Rimsky for giving us more options, though sometimes choices make life more complicated, eh?
    I have just finished Boris's death scene from the Tchakarov and I thought it was excellent. Should be finished with the whole thing in about twenty five or so minutes. I wouldn't be without any of my Borises or is that Borii?
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    Ok - someone on page 1 said Abbado is the Shostakovich orchestration. Is that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    Ok - someone on page 1 said Abbado is the Shostakovich orchestration. Is that true?
    According to the discography at the bottom of this Wikipedia page, Abbado used Mussorgsky's orchestration. There is one Shostakovich recording listed.

    An even bigger discography of Boris Godunov is at this site, but I don't think they give what orchestration it is.

    Curiously, neither of these discographies has the recording with Fiorenza Cossotto singing Marina.
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    This looks quite interesting and sounds great too:
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    Anybody know about this recording. A reviewer on Amazon says it is the Karol Rathaus orchestration. Another website says

    There were a number of versions commissioned by the Met Opera, due to reservations over the original version of the work. In 1953, Karol Rathaus was brought on to produce a version of his own, but it strayed too far from the original and was discarded after performances in 1953 and 1958.
    And this site says,

    The Metropolitan Opera, having reservations about both the original and the Shostakovich versions commissioned composer Karol Rathaus to develop an enriched orchestration. Although performed between 1953 and 1958, it was ultimately abandoned because the “Mussorgsky sound” had been lost.
    Hmmm, think I answered my own question. This set is probably not worth picking up. Any thoughts TC Mussorgsky opera fans?

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