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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    Thanks, that makes total sense. My preferred version is the 1872 in Mussorgsky's orchestration (there's no need for the Rimsky-Korsakov version) and I like the opera to end with the Kromy Forest scene rather than the death of Boris. The 1869 is a more organic version from the point of view of structure, but I miss the musical material in the Polish act and more importantly the revised clock scene, which is one of the most famous parts of the opera.

    I have a number of recordings mostly for the Boris in them and that means having a few of the Rimsky version, which I suffer for the likes of Kipnis and Christoff (although my favourite Boris is Reizen whose recording may also be of the Rimsky). The better recordings of the 1872 are the Gergiev and the Abbado (with additions in the later case).

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    I will have to look into the clock scene because it is not ringing a bell (pun?) for me at this time, just a vague recollection.

    We need to figure out what videos are 1869 vs 1872 vs mix. I think there is an 1869 video, just have to find time to go back and figure it out. Also I think there are only about 6 to 8 recordings with Mussorgsky's orchestration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Same here. Regardless of whether it's the 1869 or 1872 version, the Kromy Forest scene always seems like an anticlimax.
    One thing I don't like about Kromy is that it ominously suggests some very nasty stuff that will happen next (beyond the finish of the opera), such as the rape of Boris' daughter, and presumably subsequent murder of her and her brother.
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    That period in Russian history isn't referred to as the Time Of Troubles for nothing. It's too bad that they aren't any affordable used copies of the better recordings so I'll be listening on YouTube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    It's too bad that they aren't any affordable used copies of the better recordings so I'll be listening on YouTube.
    These are pretty affordable - and if you buy the Gergiev, you'll get both 1869 and 1872 versions:

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    boris abbado (2).jpg

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    One piece of advice on vendors. I don't recommend World of Books. You will be waiting many weeks for your order. I'd like to get hold of the Tchakarov on Sony or the Philips recording. I'll spend some time listening online and keep an eye on the used markets. That Gergiev 5 disc set looks interesting too.
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    I've been watching (almost obsessively) the Abbado/Salzburg performance, which I got from House of Opera.

    The whole thing is glorious, but just to make one point that was important and a learning thing for me, I had the Abbado CDs years ago and didn't think much of it. On the live performance, Kotscherga seems to sing up to the heavens, just gorgeous, rich singing, different than most (a little less deep bass like but very powerfully lyrical). I would have this live DVD for the Kotscherga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mparta View Post
    I've been watching (almost obsessively) the Abbado/Salzburg performance, which I got from House of Opera.

    The whole thing is glorious, but just to make one point that was important and a learning thing for me, I had the Abbado CDs years ago and didn't think much of it. On the live performance, Kotscherga seems to sing up to the heavens, just gorgeous, rich singing, different than most (a little less deep bass like but very powerfully lyrical). I would have this live DVD for the Kotscherga.
    I wonder if it is Mussorgsky or Rimsky's orchestration, and whether it is 1869, 1872, or a mix of both.
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    i don't know and I think I read on a post here somewhere that it's Shostakovich! But I doubt that

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    Yes, there was a previous question about this. Someone named "SixFootScowl" said it's Mussorgsky

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    One thing I don't like about Kromy is that it ominously suggests some very nasty stuff that will happen next (beyond the finish of the opera), such as the rape of Boris' daughter, and presumably subsequent murder of her and her brother.
    Agree about the ominous vibe of the Kromy Forest scene. And it was indeed nasty over the next few years. But that's something I like about it. Fedoseyev's recording of that particular scene is fabulous.

    As to Xenia's real-life fate:

    She was spared, but False Dmitriy raped her and kept her in his palace as a concubine lasting five months. Before the arrival of his bride Marina Mniszech, Xenia was sent to the Voskresensky Monastery in Beloozero and forced to take monastic vows, whereupon she was given the name "Olga". Subsequently, she was transferred to the Assumption Princess Monastery in Vladimir.

    In 1606 she sojourned to the Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius to attend the reburial of her father; vestments she sewed as a nun are on display at that Lavra.

    Her name is inscribed as "Nun Olga Borisovna" at the crypt of the Godunovs near the entrance of the Assumption Cathedral at Trinity-St. Sergius Lavra where she is buried with her parents and brother.

    (Shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia)
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