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    Question Does anyone on here have an opinion about Christian Contemporary Music (CCM)?

    I am a Christian who personally does not like it and I think "Christian Rock" is anything but Christian, but I am sure many others on here will disagree with me. I am just curious as to the opinions of those on this forum, particularly since it isn't Christian. I can provide arguments for why I do not like it if anyone is curious .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SongQuestion View Post
    I am a Christian who personally does not like it and I think "Christian Rock" is anything but Christian, but I am sure many others on here will disagree with me. I am just curious as to the opinions of those on this forum, particularly since it isn't Christian. I can provide arguments for why I do not like it if anyone is curious .
    It's terrible. Byrd and Bach truly glorified God with music. The Hillsong United Band? Oh, Lord. The Christian Church has really lowered its standards with regards to art and music.
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    I mostly agree with Lope. There are a few individual songs I may enjoy, although they are probably closer to folk than to rock. But I'll turn to Bach, or Arvo Part (and there are others) when I want to hear music that glorifies God.

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    I like Rock but not Christian Rock, which is bland. There are religious rock songs I like, e.g., Presence of The Lord, Bargain.

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    I think you've gotta realise that the Hillsong stuff is meant to be sung by a congregation for them to worship whereas Bach's was (largely) sung by a trained choir. It is simply not a viable comparison. Singing Hillsong is a quite different experience from listening to Bach. Of course, it depends whether you're willing to be a participant and allow your spirit to be carried along.
    No-one (not even the Hillsong writers) are going to say their music matches Bach. But they are writing music ordinary people can sing to worship in a congregation.
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    I like some popular music that uses Christian themes like the music of TobyMac and Owl City. I also like many modern church songs that were sung at my church during Mass. I'm open to contemporary Christian music, but I admit I don't listen to a whole lot of it.
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    I highly enjoy music that glorifying God : J.S. Bach, Monteverdi, Mozart's Requiem, Vivaldi, Pergolesi, Handel's oratorios, Britten's Requiem... In recent composers, I enjoy some. Here are some exemples :

    Arvo Pärt (many things to listen, this is just an exemple) :



    Gorecki : beatus Vir :



    You may not believe it, but Heitor Villa-Lobos composed some church music. Check it out :



    Alan Hovhaness (most of his work is kind of mystical) :



    Sofia Gubaidulina : Johannes Passion



    Of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many more.

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    Anything that has "christian" in front of it, is usually a warning sign for something incredibly lame. Like for instance christian rock.
    "That as s."

    - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravndal View Post
    Anything that has "christian" in front of it, is usually a warning sign for something incredibly lame. Like for instance christian rock.
    Oh come off it!

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    No. It's a ridiculous brand.
    "That as s."

    - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravndal View Post
    No. It's a ridiculous brand.
    Well, as you quote Nietzche I can see where your prejudice comes!
    Last edited by DavidA; Jun-13-2014 at 10:05.

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    I think there should be a distinction between music that is meant for worshipping God and "worldly" music. You cannot simply take some contemporary pop/rock, slap lyrics about Jesus on it (and some of these bands sing about Jesus almost as if they were singing about their boyfriend) and worship God with it. And personally my spirit is much more uplifted by a Bach cantata or a piece like Brahms' "German Requiem" than by anything contemporary.

    PS. Nietzsche should be taken with a grain of salt, but he had some fine ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    I think there should be a distinction between music that is meant for worshipping God and "worldly" music. You cannot simply take some contemporary pop/rock, slap lyrics about Jesus on it (and some of these bands sing about Jesus almost as if they were singing about their boyfriend) and worship God with it. And personally my spirit is much more uplifted by a Bach cantata or a piece like Brahms' "German Requiem" than by anything contemporary.

    PS. Nietzsche should be taken with a grain of salt, but he had some fine ideas.
    Totally agree. xxxxxxxxx

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    After a I long absence, I got back into classical music, specifically sacred music, because Christian music wasn't doing it for me.

    I don't think Christian rock in itself is bad, but it sounds borrowed. Back in the early days of rock, the rock musicians stole from the church; they took the church music they knew and converted it into the secular. (Of course, I realize they stole from other sources also.) But now Christians steal from rock, which means they have to learn each new rock fad, no matter how vile, to convert it into something sacred. As a result, it doesn't sound authentic.

    Praise and worship is another genre that doesn't quite click with me. There are some Christian praise & worship songs that speak to me, but a lot of it is repetitious and simplistic with words which don't call for much commitment ("Here I am to worship, here I am to fall down, here I am to say that you're my God"). And it's really boring to play; mostly three chords over and over and over. But I have a lot of 30-something friends who love this, and in my neck of the woods, this kind of music seems to be taking over, so I'm trying to like it.

    But personally, I think praise and worship music is getting long in the tooth, and I'm looking forward for the next generation to come up with something truly authentic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegendesLicht View Post
    I think there should be a distinction between music that is meant for worshipping God and "worldly" music. You cannot simply take some contemporary pop/rock, slap lyrics about Jesus on it (and some of these bands sing about Jesus almost as if they were singing about their boyfriend) and worship God with it. And personally my spirit is much more uplifted by a Bach cantata or a piece like Brahms' "German Requiem" than by anything contemporary.

    PS. Nietzsche should be taken with a grain of salt, but he had some fine ideas.
    The problem lies in a misconception of what worship is - ie that it has to be like Brahms' Requiem (which was written by an agnostic) in order to be pious. That misses the point that worship in the Bible is spoken of as something exuberant - eg in psalm 150 as well as something contemplative. Christian music as found in many churches today exists as an aid to worship not an altar of high art! If you want great music look elsewhere. However, personally being unable myself to sing Bach Cantatas (nor being able to speak German) when I want to worship God In church I look to places like Hillsongs. At home I listen to Bach.

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