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    Here's a discography:

    http://www.operadis-opera-discograph...CLMOENTF.HTM#1

    I'd be keen to get hold of the 1937 version conducted by Heinrich Steiner, with Karl Erb as Belmonte, but it seems to be unavailable on CD. Anyone heard it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post

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    Haven't we done this opera in the most Recommended thread. Can't remember which one won, but the Jochum, with probably the best Belmonte you are ever likely to hear (Wunderlich) is pretty good.

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    Look into the TC recommended recordings thread. We did this opera there a few weeks back.

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    There is an old version conducted by George Szell which I bought in a box with other CDs and which is a terrific performance.

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    I think these threads compliment the top recommended CDs and DVDs thread nicely. After all, there are some well dodgy recordings which have emerged as the most popular recommendations- though the discussions can still be interesting. Most of all, it's useful to have a thread which isn't just about CD and DVD releases, since YouTube has many excellent recordings which have never appeared on CD.

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    I have six versions. The Solti, recommended above, is probably my favourite, as the version I first got to know. It's very seldom staged - I've only seen it live once.
    My other versions are Karl Bohm with Arleen Auger sop, Reri Grist sop, Peter Schreier ten, Hardlad Neukirch ten, Kurt Moll bass
    Colin Davis with Christiane Eda-Pierre sop, Norma Burrowes sop, Stuart Burrows ten, Robert Tear ten, Robert Lloyd bass
    Eugen Jochum with Fritz Wunderlich ten, Erika Koth sop, Lotte Schadle sop, Friedrichy Lenz bar, Kurt Bohme bass
    Christopher Hogwood with Lynne Dawson sop, Uwe Heilmann ten, Marianne Hirsti sop, Gunther von Kannen bass, Wilfred Gahmlich bar
    Josef Krips with Wilma Lipp sop, Emmy Loose sop, Walter Ludwig ten, Peter Klein ten, Endre Koreh bass

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    I'm thinking of getting a copy of this famous Mozart opera. There are two I'm looking at: John Eliot Gardiner and William Christie. Of these two I see Christie as more of a successful operatic conductor (generally speaking) but I do like what I heard of the Gardiner. Has anyone here heard either of the two? Are there others I ought to consider? I'm not exclusively looking for HIP, but being that certain HIP Mozart recordings have been clicking with me lately (whereas I usually prefer Mozart in the old-school, big-boned way), it seems I might want to strike while the iron is hot, so to speak.

    Anyone listening to this opera lately? It sounds great to my ears, though I understand it's not considered one of his best libretti, dramatically speaking.

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    I seem to have acquired far more copies of this opera than I realised. There is on my shelves:

    Szell

    Beecham

    Bohm (DG)

    Wiel - unheralded but really good

    Jacobs with hip

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    I have Solti, Gardiner, Nezet-Seguin, Christie, Jacobs, Böhm, and Davis. I definitelY like The Solti the best. The Nezet-Seguin is a great performance and in good sound as well. That’s probably my second favorite. Jacobs, who I normally love I am not crazy about there. Böhm is a disaster with Mozart IMO. He was one of the first conductors I turned to when I first got started with Mozart. Now, I don’t like him - sure he’s had great vocal casts, but his tempos are just too damn slow. I think the Solti is the best of the lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I'm thinking of getting a copy of this famous Mozart opera. There are two I'm looking at: John Eliot Gardiner and William Christie. Of these two I see Christie as more of a successful operatic conductor (generally speaking) but I do like what I heard of the Gardiner. Has anyone here heard either of the two? Are there others I ought to consider? I'm not exclusively looking for HIP, but being that certain HIP Mozart recordings have been clicking with me lately (whereas I usually prefer Mozart in the old-school, big-boned way), it seems I might want to strike while the iron is hot, so to speak.

    Anyone listening to this opera lately? It sounds great to my ears, though I understand it's not considered one of his best libretti, dramatically speaking.
    They are both good recordings, but I would not say Christie is a more successful opera conductor than Gardiner. Now way. Probably the other way around. Gardiner is very accomplished. Exceptionally accomplished. I have dozens of recordings under his baton and there’s not a dud in the lot.

    I would choose the Solti over both of them for this work, hands down. If you’re set on Christie or Gardiner, I would choose the Gardiner hands down. Although the Christie is very good. I just feel Gardiner captures the spirit of the work more. Maybe it’s just my personal choice and maybe that would be different than yours.

    As far as the libretto goes, while it may not be the best, it is good fun, and the music is Amazing. This opera got me into opera. The first time I saw Amadeus, I had to have this work. It is one of my favorite works. It’s great. The music is stupendous.

    All Mozart operas from Idomeneo on are masterpieces in their own right. For me, they rank:

    1. Le nozze di Figaro (Jacobs is my favorite)
    2. Don Giovanni (Giulini is my favorite)
    3. Idomeneo (Jacobs is my favorite)
    4. Die Zauberflöte (Solti #1 is my favorite)
    5. Cosí fan tutte (Jacobs is my favorite)
    6. La Clemenza di Tito (Davis is my favorite)
    7. Die Entführung aus dem Serial (Solti is my favorite)

    Entführung might rank #7 in my list of Mozart operas, but it’s probably in my Top 15 list of all operas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    Böhm is a disaster with Mozart IMO. He was one of the first conductors I turned to when I first got started with Mozart. Now, I don’t like him - sure he’s had great vocal casts, but his tempos are just too damn slow.
    I agree about Böhm in Mozart, but his Entführung cast is really hard to beat, particularly Moll's Osmin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I agree about Böhm in Mozart, but his Entführung cast is really hard to beat, particularly Moll's Osmin.
    Yeah, his Cosi cast is magnificent, as his Figaro and Entführung cast but I just can’t get past the dragging tempos and lack of life. I try, periodically, to go back to his Cosí, but after a few numbers, I switch to Jacobs.
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    It's not a favourite of mine. In fact I've just realised I don't won a recording. If I decided to buy one, I'd probably go for Jochum - just for Wunderlich's Belmonte.
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