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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Below quote is from Presto UK description of the live Warner boxset, the words "recently discovered" imply Oscar C tapes have not been used before, you do not discover things already known......doesn't say they have the best sound but most would assume that or why mention this?



    Conte is being far too rational to say "In any case, does it matter a great deal? You either like the results or you don't." what would we talk about without some mystery to investigate......
    True, but although these particular tapes may not have been used as a source before, that doesn't mean that they aren't copies of older original sources that have. That said, the Lucia had drop outs that weren't in other releases, if I recall correctly from comments here.

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    But no one, not even those of you who are satisfied with it, can really point a finger and say unequivocally there are the new tapes. The best you can do with is guessing. And Warner doesn't identify it, just passes notes to the press omitting the part "best available source material we had access to".

    All this business is fishy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macbeth View Post
    But no one, not even those of you who are satisfied with it, can really point a finger and say unequivocally there are the new tapes.
    It's been suggested that they were Lucia and parts of Anna Bolena for various reasons and the only argument against this hypothesis was RES' ~But I don't like big corporations~.

    As I have said all along, the proof is in the listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    It's been suggested that they were Lucia and parts of Anna Bolena for various reasons and the only argument against this hypothesis was RES' ~But I don't like big corporations~.

    As I have said all along, the proof is in the listening.

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    I also have listened to those and about Lucia I think exactly the same as expressed by fridgebuzz at post #3965.

    The Bolena little bit at the very ending of the whole opera, while it does sound like from a better source than what's been heard up to that point, still doesn't sound clearer than Divina (the entire release) to me.

    When they say new sources have been discovered one expects an improvement like when Testament published Legge's tape of Vespri

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    It's been suggested that they were Lucia and parts of Anna Bolena for various reasons and the only argument against this hypothesis was RES' ~But I don't like big corporations~.

    As I have said all along, the proof is in the listening.

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    I don't believe that Warner's - or any - Berlin Lucia is coming from a private collection - if this is not an original source, I have never heard one. Ifigenia has no similarity with neither EMI/Myto nor Divina (according to your reviews), so that is the most probable candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    It's been suggested that they were Lucia and parts of Anna Bolena for various reasons and the only argument against this hypothesis was RES' ~But I don't like big corporations~.

    As I have said all along, the proof is in the listening.

    N.
    Such reductionism. You know, N., not everyone here agrees with you: there are a few acolytes, to be sure, and a lot of people who see and hear things quite differently, including a sizable number who have left TC because of intractable folks like your good self.

    But indeed, the proof *was* in the listening. What did Callas say: "Some people say I have a unique voice and others say it's a whole big lie". In my opinion, not Callas but Warner is 'a whole big lie' (though all the documentation is wasted on the Warner cult here--never quoted by you in responses lest it make too much sense, rather like the self-hypnosis and allergy to facts typical of the Republican party in the US).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RES View Post
    Such reductionism. You know, N., not everyone here agrees with you: there are a few acolytes, to be sure, and a lot of people who see and hear things quite differently, including a sizable number who have left TC because of intractable folks like your good self.

    But indeed, the proof *was* in the listening. What did Callas say: "Some people say I have a unique voice and others say it's a whole big lie". In my opinion, not Callas but Warner is 'a whole big lie' (though all the documentation is wasted on the Warner cult here--never quoted by you in responses lest it make too much sense, rather like the self-hypnosis and allergy to facts typical of the Republican party in the US).
    "Warner cult"

    Oh, the irony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmichael1 View Post
    I don't believe that Warner's - or any - Berlin Lucia is coming from a private collection - if this is not an original source, I have never heard one. Ifigenia has no similarity with neither EMI/Myto nor Divina (according to your reviews), so that is the most probable candidate.
    Yes, of course, I was forgetting about the Ifigenia. Aida is another candidate, the lack of overload distortion marks it out from any other release of that recording I know. Pirata, Alceste and Chenier could also be new sources.

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    I have been wondering for a long time how it is humanly possible for someone who has participated in the production of a work to be 100% objective on one hand in his judgment of the result of his own creation and on the other hand to be fair on his ratings of the competitor’s relevant products

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    Quote Originally Posted by niknik View Post
    I have been wondering for a long time how it is humanly possible for someone who has participated in the production of a work to be 100% objective on one hand in his judgment of the result of his own creation and on the other hand to be fair on his ratings of the competitor’s relevant products
    That is the reason why sellers are not permitted to participate in this forum. So to what are you referring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niknik View Post
    I have been wondering for a long time how it is humanly possible for someone who has participated in the production of a work to be 100% objective on one hand in his judgment of the result of his own creation and on the other hand to be fair on his ratings of the competitor’s relevant products
    Of course we all have our biases. It is human nature! I am sure that even some of those who purchased the new Warner set have reasons to be somewhat biased simply to justify their purchase!

    However, those who have worked extensively in the field have a knowledge that laymen do not possess and that must be strongly considered as well. Correct me if I am wrong, but was not Andrew Rose dismissed as not being "objective" in his criticism of Warner's 2014 Callas Remastered series because his Pristine Classical label offers competing versions of many of those EMI recordings? Whatever one thinks of the Pristine versions of those recordings, much of Rose's observations turned out to be justified. Strange as it may seem, there are people out there who do have moral and ethical standards even when discussing the efforts of others in their own field of work and especially when it involves a labor of love as opposed to monetary gain.

    I certainly had high hopes regarding Warner's latest effot. Unfortunately, based on what has been reported here by individuals on all sides of the argument, it seems that the bel canto releases which are my main focus are either not improvements or not significantly better than what is currently available.

    Consequently I appreciated the "lively" discussion here. We all hear things differently and based on each person's sonic biases, be they experts or laymen, you all helped me come to the conclusion that the new Warner versions would not suit my needs.

    So thanks to all!
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    also, RES doesn't just express his opinion, he contributes with knowledge and data produced by years of work.
    It is nice to share one's opinion and of course we all have the right to disagree, but we only read opinions form the pro Warner side here, not facts, and you know what they say opinions are like...

    I don't see the point of being deliberately obnoxious to someone who's adding to our knowledge, just because you've got personal issues with them.

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    I don't always agree with RES, but I don't think you can deny that he's a TC treasure. There may be people more knowledgeable than he about Callas and her recordings, but he's the only one of those experts who will take the time and effort to communicate his thoughts directly to us, and for that I thank him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossiniano View Post

    I certainly had high hopes regarding Warner's latest effot. Unfortunately, based on what has been reported here by individuals on all sides of the argument, it seems that the bel canto releases which are my main focus are either not improvements or not significantly better than what is currently available.

    Consequently I appreciated the "lively" discussion here. We all hear things differently and based on each person's sonic biases, be they experts or laymen, you all helped me come to the conclusion that the new Warner versions would not suit my needs.

    So thanks to all!
    Absolutely! This is the reason why I haven't said go out and BUY! The set is only going to be worth it for those people who are interested in the majority of the recordings in the box. If you are only interested in the bel canto operas then it's only the Sonnambula and Pirata that would be worth getting. (And you would be mad to buy a whole box set for just one tenth of its contents.) Furthermore there are plenty of ways that people can sample the set (either via the digital excerpts on Amazon, Presto Classical and elsewhere or by getting the three disc excerpts disc.) Everyone can listen for themselves and make up their own minds.

    P.S. You've said that you can't hear the buzz on the Divina Pirata. Maybe 'buzz' isn't the right word. However, anyone who wants to hear what I mean can compare the samples here (of Col sorriso d'innocenza):

    Divina (with electric noise): http://www.divinarecords.com/dvn021/dvn021.mp3

    Warner (without electric noise): http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/W...9584466#listen

    Perhaps 'buzz' is the wrong word, but there's a very distinctive noise on the Divina that isn't on the Warner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    I don't always agree with RES, but I don't think you can deny that he's a TC treasure. There may be people more knowledgeable than he about Callas and her recordings, but he's the only one of those experts who will take the time and effort to communicate his thoughts directly to us, and for that I thank him.
    I couldn't agree more, I am relatively new to this world of Callas live recordings (I say that after 25 years of listening to them!) I would be happy to have a tenth of RES' knowledge.

    Has your Callas live set arrived yet? Have you had a chance to listen to it? I hope you will share your thoughts with us (there's no need for expertise, just a pair of ears!)

    N.

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