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    It is too low a bar to say the new EMI remasters must be better current 1997 EMI releases......

    The ultimate test is how close can they come to Pristine XR remaster series with ambient stereo.........


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    It is too low a bar to say the new EMI remasters must be better current 1997 EMI releases......

    The ultimate test is how close can they come to Pristine XR remaster series with ambient stereo.........


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    True, but I hope its close cause those Pristines deprive me of my pizza money.
    And they're CD-Rs, not CDs.

    They'll have to do for me.
    I still don't even have their Krauss Ring
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    Woodduck, 8 pages of Callas rehash. That says something alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    It is too low a bar to say the new EMI remasters must be better current 1997 EMI releases......

    The ultimate test is how close can they come to Pristine XR remaster series with ambient stereo.........


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    I'm not sure I trust this business of ambient stereo. The recordings weren't stereo in the first place, so turning them into stereo distorts the originals. The whole point of these new re-masters would seem to be that they have gone back to the original master tapes and tried to get rid of the mistakes of years of bad digital transfers. being as faithful as possible to the original product. I'll report back after the weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    It is too low a bar to say the new EMI remasters must be better current 1997 EMI releases......

    The ultimate test is how close can they come to Pristine XR remaster series with ambient stereo.........


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    I'd pay the price of the new box set just to get the book that goes along with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMitchell View Post
    I'm not sure I trust this business of ambient stereo. The recordings weren't stereo in the first place, so turning them into stereo distorts the originals. The whole point of these new re-masters would seem to be that they have gone back to the original master tapes and tried to get rid of the mistakes of years of bad digital transfers. being as faithful as possible to the original product. I'll report back after the weekend.
    I know what you mean Greg, but it does sound good on the samples on the site.

    And DA knows and owns these Pristines.
    It's the CD-R thing that makes me a bit leery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschallin Blair View Post
    I'd pay the price of the new box set just to get the book that goes along with it.

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    And those original jackets
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    It is too low a bar to say the new EMI remasters must be better current 1997 EMI releases......

    The ultimate test is how close can they come to Pristine XR remaster series with ambient stereo.........


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    I'm not sure I trust this business of ambient stereo. The recordings weren't stereo in the first place, so turning them into stereo distorts the originals. The whole point of these new re-masters would seem to be that they have gone back to the original master tapes and tried to get rid of the mistakes of years of bad digital transfers. being as faithful as possible to the original product. I'll report back after the weekend.
    I know what you mean Greg, but it does sound good on the samples on the site.

    And DA knows and owns these Pristines.
    It's the CD-R thing that makes me a bit leery.
    Andrew Rose of Pristine is a master of restoring older recordings to the highest possible sound quality, my only reservation is the high cost of purchase........the results are priceless and surpass any other version I have heard, including the fine Divina label releases which use the original BJR master tapes.

    The ambient stereo is not a fake sounding effect, but instead a valuable subtle enhancement that magically adds air, space, fullness to a mono recording without any sonic negative I can detect......I always order recordings from Pristine with ambient stereo

    Pristine has very long samples for free listening on each release, the bass and lower mids are especially clarified rendering male vocals and orchestra fine detail and nuance that are simply not heard on any other version, link to 1953 Puritani mad scence (the final sustained high note by Callas is electrifying here)

    http://www.pristineclassical.com/paco085.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Andrew Rose of Pristine is a master of restoring older recordings to the highest possible sound quality, my only reservation is the high cost of purchase........the results are priceless and surpass any other version I have heard, including the fine Divina label releases which use the original BJR master tapes.

    The ambient stereo is not a fake sounding effect, but instead a valuable subtle enhancement that magically adds air, space, fullness to a mono recording without any sonic negative I can detect......I always order CDs from Pristine with ambient stereo

    Pristine has very long samples for free listening on each release, the bass and lower mids are especially clarified rendering male vocals and orchestra fine detail and nuance that are simply not heard on any other version, link to 1953 Puritani mad scence (the final sustained high note by Callas is electrifying here)

    http://www.pristineclassical.com/paco085.html
    OK that's very impressive, I'll grant you, and, as I don't have the facility to play FLAC files, I'll assume I'm listening to the ambient stereo MP3.

    But here's my problem. As an old guy, I'm indelibly attached to CDs. I like to be able to have the physical thing in my hands. I do have music downloaded to my PC but I rarely listen to it. I also have spotify and I find it an invaluable resource if I want to hear something before buying, or if it's something I'd be interested to hear but not necessarily to own.

    Which all means, that I am still incredibly excited about this new Warner release, and am looking forward enormously to being down at King's Place tomorrow to hear these new masters in the flesh.

    One thing is for sure, though, nobody, but nobody, not Sutherland, not Sills, not Pagliughi and certainly not Netrebko sings like that. Goosebumps! And you're right. That final top Eb is just electrifying. I've always inclined to the Cetra performance of this Mad Scene, but I now think the EMI one is even more refined.
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    Ok, so I went to the event at King's Place today, which consisted merely of a couple of promotional videos played in the main public area. With so much noise going on around, it was impossible to hear if the new transfers were in fact any better.

    However, I did get a look at the luxury box set, which is clearly a must have, picked up a brochure and a CD, which gives you the opportunity to compare side by side the new masters against previous ones. The tracks chosen are.

    1. Tristan und Isolde - Liebestod (1949 Cetra recording)
    2. La Gioconda - Ecco il velen di Laura (1952 Cetra recording)
    3. I Paglicacci - Qual fiamma (1954 EMI recording)
    4. Tosca - Vissi d'arte (1953 EMI recording)
    5. Romeo et Juliette - Je vexu vivre (1961 EMI recording).

    In each case we hear the beginning of the new remaster, then the beginning of one of the previous masters, and then the whole aria or excerpt in the new re-master.

    What is immediately apparent is the greater fullness of the orchestral sound and the greater presence of the voice. The acoustic too now sounds more natural. To be honest, neither my ears nor my equipment are probably up to the task of deciphering any other differences, but I have no doubt I will be getting this set.

    Both in presentation and in sonics, Warner have probably done the best job they could. I talked to the representative there who had evident enthusiasm for the project and a genuine love of Callas. This was not some sales and marketing rep who had wandered in from the pop department. He genuinely new his subject and this too inspires confidence in the seriousness with which Warner have approached their task.

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    ^Thanks Greg
    Very encouraging.
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