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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    I'm happy with this 20-CD set. I got it for $15.99. The sound & mastering sound excellent.

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    Nice set. I note that Amazon sells the CD set for US$41.73 - but you can buy it in MP3 format for...US$197.49. That makes a lot of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Nice set. I note that Amazon sells the CD set for US$41.73 - but you can buy it in MP3 format for...US$197.49. That makes a lot of sense.
    I’ve been noticing that lately... where the mp3 on Amazon is far more expensive than the CD

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    I got this box at Berkshire.
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    I keep repeating myself, but I very much like this incomplete Bruckner set You also hear the BPO always has a great Bruckner up its sleeves. It just depends on the conductor. Funny detail: Gunter Wand was not welcome during HvK's era. Abbado invited him back and Rattle visited Wand's rehearsals to study (not very effective, as Rattle never became a Bruckner-conductor).

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    I'm happy with this 20-CD set. I got it for $15.99. The sound & mastering sound excellent.

    Later edit: I'm sorry, it was $29.99



    You did really well to get that black box for 30 dollars, although the Schaller contributions in the recent Orange update make it more worthy than the first one.

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    i enjoy the Chailly set very much.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    All right, boys and girls. I'm finally starting to get into Bruckner's music, I think. I've been enjoying the 4th, 7th, 8th, and 9th symphonies a good bit. I'm listening to single movements at a time, because I still can't stomach a full hour of Bruckner at any given time...

    To me, the very best moment in all of his music that I have thus far encountered, is the coda of the 4th symphony finale. It is seriously heavy stuff, but it's beautiful. I still don't quite understand what he is trying to say with his music, but whatever that might be, he has created a beautiful monolith of works.

    ... anyway... I am debating whether it is time to get a full cycle, or if I should keep on collecting individual recordings. My small collection includes the Wand/NDR 4th, the Böhm/Vienna 4th, and the Tintner/Royal Scottish National 9th. Of these, the 4th is my favorite. I plan on getting the Karajan/Vienna 7th as I listened and enjoyed it very much the other day. But I have been looking at cycles too.

    So it seems like Günter Wand is "the" Bruckner guy. He has recorded a few cycles; I'm looking at these:

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    ... with the Kölner Rundfunk-Sinfonie-Orchester... and then:



    ... with the Berlin Philharmonic. It's significantly more expensive, and does not include symphonies 1 through 3. But from what I can gather, it is better. Am I wrong on this?

    The other big Bruckner guy is Eugen Jochum. I have been looking at two cycles of his:

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    ... with the Staatskapelle Dresden, perhaps my favorite orchestra. And then:

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    ... with the Berlin Philharmonic and the Bavarian Radio Symphony. Two great orchestras.

    I have not heard much of Jochum's Bruckner. If anyone can point me to a really good recording from each set to listen for reference, that would be helpful.

    What are some that I'm missing? I know Chailly and Haitink have both recorded cycles with the Royal Concertgebouw. Celibidache is another very famous Bruckner guy, but I don't know if I can stomach those extremely slow tempi at this early stage in my Bruckner appreciation.

    Maybe looking to get a full cycle is a wrong-headed approach? Many people told me similarly about Mahler when I was in the market for a Mahler cycle, but I am seriously satisfied with the set that I ended up getting.

    Thanks in advance

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    My taste is none of the above. Haitink/Concertgebouw or Chailly/Concertgebouw




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    ^Noted. I like both conductors, and I like that orchestra. I'll try and check out each. For some reason, throughout this search I have been in the mindset of "German conductor or bust".

    Is there any love for Klemperer here? Not a full cycle, but 4-9 on Warner/EMI. I liked his 9th a lot when I listened to it recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    All right, boys and girls. I'm finally starting to get into Bruckner's music, I think. I've been enjoying the 4th, 7th, 8th, and 9th symphonies a good bit. I'm listening to single movements at a time, because I still can't stomach a full hour of Bruckner at any given time...
    I can totally understand where you're coming from. Bruckner can seem tedious if it's conducted without some sort of spark. Wand is great. He understood the stuff inside and out and could keep the monumentalness of the architecture from being too drawn out. There is a set of Bohm late symphonies that is really enjoyable too. The only ones I would get a full cycle from are Wand and Bohm. Maybe if you are going to go for singles, look to Bruno Walter. I'm personally not fond of Chailly or Haitink. Some people like them but I need a little bit of spark to keep the lumbering stuff from turning into loudsoftloudsoftloudsoft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post

    I have not heard much of Jochum's Bruckner. If anyone can point me to a really good recording from each set to listen for reference, that would be helpful.
    Jochum did a wonderful version of the 5th. I have it as a download, so I'm not sure which one it is. Is it the 1964 recording with the Concertgebouw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    ^Noted. I like both conductors, and I like that orchestra. I'll try and check out each. For some reason, throughout this search I have been in the mindset of "German conductor or bust".

    Is there any love for Klemperer here? Not a full cycle, but 4-9 on Warner/EMI. I liked his 9th a lot when I listened to it recently.
    If I had to say what I like about Haitink it is balance. He balances the different voices of the orchestra so everything can be heard. In Bruckner I like to wallow in the complex brass voicing of harmony, and Haitink is great for that. I like Chailly because he has a similar ability to maintain balance, and adding some expressiveness.

    For on-off recordings I'd recommend the Blomstedt/San Francisco recordings on Decca.

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    Wand is great, Skrowaczewski's set is top quality (like his Beethoven and Brahms), Jochum and Dresden is a banker, Karajan"s Bruckner is excellent (he was a perfect fit for Bruckner) and if you can afford it then get Blomstedt's Leipzig set. It's as good (and better in places) than all the above. As a Bruckner dark horse ive always rated Barenboim's Chicago cycle which can be picked up very cheaply. His 2nd and 3rd cycles arent as good in comparison for me (although they have their moments).

    Edit: I forgot Schaller's excellent cycle. Impressive.
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    Haitink (like Blomstedt and Wand) gets better with age, so you are better off with his Haitink's later separate Bruckner recordings instead of the earlier full cycle with the RCO. To me, Jochum's Bruckner recordings didn't age well, they sound dull and outdated to my ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
    Haitink (like Blomstedt and Wand) gets better with age, so you are better off with his Haitink's later separate Bruckner recordings instead of the earlier full cycle with the RCO. To me,
    Agreed. Haitink's newer Mahler and Bruckner are better than his older recordings (more adventurous), for me.

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