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    I am beginning the composition of the world's longest score(with only 6 celli). It so far has 4 of the 1,000 measures filled. I plan to make 5,000(perhaps even 15,000) total. It is slow at some parts, but a few fast ones are included. It is perhaps going to take me a few years, as for I had begun just today. I estimate it to last 4 hours total. Almost 4 times longer than the world's longest cello concerto ever composed. I have never released any composition, but I have enough experience with playing cello and the time spent composing music. I will post the first 5 pages next week. But I can show you a little sneak peek right now.

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    The sneak peek is being an issue right now. So never mind about that.

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    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Why?

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    Because I am bored and decide to do so. I want to complete this. I must. It is my goal, and I am determined to complete it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techiastronamo View Post
    Because I am bored and decide to do so. I want to complete this. I must. It is my goal, and I am determined to complete it!
    Well it better be the most glorious music ever conceived if you want it to hold an audiences attention for 5,000 measures.

    Seriously though, composers usually don't plan out how long their piece is going to be unless they are writing for a specific commission (movie score, ballet score etc.). The how long or short of a piece should come about naturally based on the demands of the material you are working with.

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    Will the cellists have the stamina to play 15,000 measures?
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    "Music in any generation is not what the public thinks of it but what the musicians make of it"....Virgil Thomson

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    Before you embark on this massive project, are you able to write a decent, well structured piece that only last 40 measures? I've never understood with the fascination with colossal, gratuitous orchestral pieces people try to make. If it's boring and uninspired, no one will give a **** if it's 15,000 measures.

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    The Guinness Book of Records awards Techiastronamo's 15,000 measure piece as the world's longest cello concerto

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    ...but
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasks View Post
    The Guinness Book of Records awards Techiastronamo's 15,000 measure piece as the world's longest cello concerto

    Guinness_World_Records_logo.png
    ...but


    John Cage has beat him to it!
    John Cage ~ As Slow as Possible, for Organ.

    Performance site: Sankt-Burchardi-Church in Halberstadt, Germany

    ASLSP (As SLow aS Possible) is a musical piece by John Cage and the subject of one of the longest-lasting musical performances yet undertaken. It was originally written in 1987 for organ and is adapted from the earlier work ASLSP 1985; a typical performance of the piano version lasts 20 to 70 minutes.

    In 1985, Cage opted to omit the detail of exactly how slowly the piece should be played.

    The performance of the organ version at St. Burchardi church in Halberstadt, Germany, began in 2001 and is scheduled to have a duration of 640 years, ending in 2640.

    ~ From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techiastronamo View Post
    I am beginning the composition of the world's longest score(with only 6 celli). It so far has 4 of the 1,000 measures filled. I plan to make 5,000(perhaps even 15,000) total. It is slow at some parts, but a few fast ones are included. It is perhaps going to take me a few years, as for I had begun just today. I estimate it to last 4 hours total. Almost 4 times longer than the world's longest cello concerto ever composed. I have never released any composition, but I have enough experience with playing cello and the time spent composing music. I will post the first 5 pages next week. But I can show you a little sneak peek right now.
    A little ambition goes a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalkingHead View Post
    A little ambition goes a long way.
    If by a long way you mean to the grave without ever having finished a composition, I will agree wholeheartedly. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Well it better be the most glorious music ever conceived if you want it to hold an audiences attention for 5,000 measures.

    Seriously though, composers usually don't plan out how long their piece is going to be unless they are writing for a specific commission (movie score, ballet score etc.). The how long or short of a piece should come about naturally based on the demands of the material you are working with.
    This is news to me; my comp teacher always suggested planning out sections and approximating the length based on the material to be used. This doesn't mean strictly adhering to the blue prints, but it did help in guiding the music towards a goal.
    Life really isn't a Beethoven's 5th "I conquered the world and defeated my fears by going from C minor to C major", it's really about compassion towards yourself.

    In this sense, the simple acceptance and honesty at the end of the Grosse Fugue (after the greatest expression of human suffering)... is quite an artistic achievement.

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    This reminds me of a post I saw on another site.

    A young woman, filled with ambition and having a pretense to make something grand, epic-scale and of great length of duration in performance, had settled on a gi-normous orchestral work.

    She then proceeded to list its instrumentation, with huge wind and brass sections, etc, including the mention of Wagner Tubas.

    Then she went on to describe in words the nature of this glorious music for an orchestra of probably about one hundred and fifty musicians, give or take one or two. (This sort of description of music yet to be always strikes me as a comic sub-genre of conceptual art.)

    At the end, she asked this question:

    "What is a Wagner Tuba?

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    As composers, we're all different. There's certainly no rule that says one must plan out sections, determine length, etc. before writing.

    But about this topic's idea that one announces the goal of a piece on the first day of starting has me puzzled. I guess it's because I've been around "the block" long enough to see things fall through. So with that in mind below is my composer philosophy:

    1) Never talk about or share a piece until it's completely done.
    2) Never mention a publication until it is in print and can be purchased.
    3) Never mention a commission until you get paid.
    4) Never mention a professional recording until it's released.
    5) Never mention a future performance until it's obvious it will actually take place.


    I did some of those things when I was younger, and when they sometimes didn't materialize, I was so embarrassed that I had prematurely bragged about it.
    "Music in any generation is not what the public thinks of it but what the musicians make of it"....Virgil Thomson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasks View Post
    As composers, we're all different. There's certainly no rule that says one must plan out sections, determine length, etc. before writing.

    But about this topic's idea that one announces the goal of a piece on the first day of starting has me puzzled. I guess it's because I've been around "the block" long enough to see things fall through. So with that in mind below is my composer philosophy:

    1) Never talk about or share a piece until it's completely done.
    2) Never mention a publication until it is in print and can be purchased.
    3) Never mention a commission until you get paid.
    4) Never mention a professional recording until it's released.
    5) Never mention a future performance until it's obvious it will actually take place.


    I did some of those things when I was younger, and when they sometimes didn't materialize, I was so embarrassed that I had prematurely bragged about it.
    I would only change one little thing: All those points should be numbered "1.)" -- because they are each equally important and valid!

    Other than that...
    ----------------------------Amen to all that, brother!
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