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    post that music here and talk about it or what eve you want to do.
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    my new favorite band (besides Death)
    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTrpggAQEUM[/yt]
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    I don't know if this may be considered "classical," but while searching for Z composers for the Alphabetical Composers thread, I found this piece in fyrexianoff's huge collection of classical music:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAOV4ldKGA

    It wasn't quite what I was expecting for something called "Symphony No. 2" by some Valeri Zolotukhin.
    “If that is a bassoon then I am a baboon!” - Camille Saint-Saëns on Stravinsky's Rite of Spring

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicrom View Post
    I don't know if this may be considered "classical," but while searching for Z composers for the Alphabetical Composers thread, I found this piece in fyrexianoff's huge collection of classical music:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAOV4ldKGA

    It wasn't quite what I was expecting for something called "Symphony No. 2" by some Valeri Zolotukhin.
    It's odd.... But I actually found it nice to listen to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    my new favorite band (besides Death)
    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTrpggAQEUM[/yt]
    Can you explain what you identified in this song as a "classical influence"? I'm not hearing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcaneholocaust View Post
    Can you explain what you identified in this song as a "classical influence"? I'm not hearing it.
    There wasn't a direct influence but there were certain aspects or elements like the violin and piano if you can count that. There were also theatrics involved when he was yelling in distress as the violinist in ww2 wanting to kill himself. You should read the lyrics they are pretty interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcaneholocaust View Post
    Can you explain what you identified in this song as a "classical influence"? I'm not hearing it.
    What does it remind you of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    There wasn't a direct influence but there were certain aspects or elements like the violin and piano if you can count that. There were also theatrics involved when he was yelling in distress as the violinist in ww2 wanting to kill himself. You should read the lyrics they are pretty interesting.
    So, just because a listener has an association with any instrument(s) as being heard only in the context of one genre or another goes no further to make any point about the genre, or that those instruments are somehow firmly attached as part of the genre.

    Instruments are neutral, and what type of music, or genre, has everything to do with style, harmonic usage, etc. and nothing to do with one or more instruments.

    Pianos are used to play everything from ragtime, classical, jazz, etc. -- every and any kind of music -- they are found in pop music tracks --all sorts of genres within pop.

    Violins are used to play folk music, from all kinds of cultures, jazz, show up in rock, and classical

    The use or addition of an instrument not usually associated with a genre does not qualify as any kind of element, classical or other, and all one can say about it, which is not a qualification but a simple statement which means only literally what it says, is "the music included this / these instrument(s)."

    This runs exactly the same when it comes to those 'elements' of the theoretic aspects, i.e. just because a pop piece might use polyrhythm, a bit of counterpoint, even, an octatonic scale, or name itself 'sonata' concerto' chaconne, etc. does not mean it really has any 'elements of classical.' those are just techniques and forms someone has used in music of a genre not classical, if the piece is not classical, lol.

    With all that, the premise of your question is a net with a mesh of openings so wide, I don't think anything tossed into would do anything but pass right through, netting nothing.

    Look at all those pieces on youtube, especially it seems piano pieces, which are nothing more than some 'contemporary piano' -- often pop or new-age-ish, that someone has recorded and titled 'Sonata' or 'Concerto,' which are, innately because of what they are, and whatever form they take, not classical, not sonatas or concertos... that is sort of like putting the hood ornament of a Mercedes-Benz on a skateboard and claiming the skateboard is now a Mercedes-Benz :-)

    Slapping a name onto a piece of music does not change its genre, tacking something a bit iconic in the way of titling or brand-name recognition on something which is not does not magically transform it into something else.

    "What are classical elements or influence," combined with that near total slacker's approach to words where words can "kinda sorta mean whatever they mean to you" or 'whatever you think' rather than a more specified set of criteria or direction has this thread's premise a crash and burn event before you could even roll that baby out of the hangar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrB View Post
    So, just because a listener has an association with any instrument(s) as being heard only in the context of one genre or another goes no further to make any point about the genre, or that those instruments are somehow firmly attached as part of the genre.

    Instruments are neutral, and what type of music, or genre, has everything to do with style, harmonic usage, etc. and nothing to do with one or more instruments.
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    Pianos are used to play everything from ragtime, classical, jazz, they are found in pop music tracks --all sorts of genres within pop.

    Violins are used to play folk music, from all kinds of cultures, jazz, show up in rock, and classical

    The use or addition of an instrument not usually associated with a genre does not qualify as any kind of element, classical or other, and all one can say about it, which is not a qualification but a simple statement which means only literally what it says, is "the music included this / these instrument(s)."

    This runs exactly the same when it comes to those 'elements' of the theoretic aspects, i.e. just because a pop piece might use polyrhythm, a bit of counterpoint, even, an octatonic scale, or name itself 'sonata' concerto' chaconne, etc. does not mean it really has any 'elements of classical.' those are just techniques and forms someone has used in music of a genre not classical, if the piece is not classical, lol.

    With all that, the premise of your question is a net with a mesh of openings so wide, I don't think anything tossed into would do anything but pass right through, netting nothing.

    Look at all those pieces on youtube, especially it seems piano pieces, which are nothing more than some 'contemporary piano' -- often pop or new-age-ish, that someone has recorded and titled 'Sonata' or 'Concerto,' which are, innately because of what they are, and whatever form they take, not classical, not sonatas or concertos... that is sort of like putting the hood ornament of a Mercedes-Benz on a skateboard and claiming the skateboard is now a Mercedes-Benz :-)

    Slapping a name onto a piece of music does not change its genre, tacking something a bit iconic in the way of titling or brand-name recognition on something which is not does not magically transform it into something else.

    "What are classical elements or influence," combined with that total slacker's approach to words where words can "kinda sorta mean whatever they mean to you" has this thread's premise a crash and burn event before you could even roll that baby out of the hangar.
    How can extreme metal be pop. Do you know pop means popular? Death metal and especially black metal are cult genres of music. Anyways what did you think of carach angren? did you enjoy more then others I've showed you?
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    This clearly has classical influences - there is a violin in it.

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    And this even has orchestral accompaniment - must be classically influenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    And this even has orchestral accompaniment - must be classically influenced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    Love you mike!
    There are two other songs on that album that also have string accompaniment - I think I detect influences of Beethoven!

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    And let's not forget Aerosmith's Op. 78, Concerto for Orchestra, Piano, and Electric Guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    How can extreme metal be pop. Do you know pop means popular? Death metal and especially black metal are cult genres of music. Anyways what did you think of carach angren? did you enjoy more then others I've showed you?
    pop is genre, and yeah it comes from the root word meaning not just popular, but of and from the people, in music, it is about those genres that sound like they are not so self-consciously from trained classical musicians and composers (though many a pop performer / songwriter has had more than a little chunk of training in classical theory, performnace.)

    But I don't want to work too hard at popping that bubble of minority exclusivity so attractive to the young, so will drop discussion there -- you can trust me, as far as what category / bin it goes in, classical or pop, its pop all the way, no matter how small its minority audience, or how alternative to mainstream pop it may be. It's pop music, not classical.

    The piece reminded me of nothing, sorry, and did nothing for me. I think it may go with a lot of imaging in the listener's imagination, but it sounded as thin and generic as a Danny Burton bit of scoring for maybe a Halloween themed kid's film -- with that cliché kinda sorta supposed to be spooky-dark scare the kids but staying in a safety zone, i.e. not actually scare them or truly terrify, i.e. generic to cliché film-scoring. Some of that can be itself a genre, and is done more in light fun than seriously trying to be dark or horrific. I didn't find the clip exceptional or exceptionally effective.

    The singer's speaking / singing voice is such a mega-affectation that all I think of is a "silly voices" technician, ready maybe to do voice-over for cartoons.

    My 'PG' rating of it? G.
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