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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    I think John Williams would be pretty damn hard to beat when it comes to film scores. Williams is like the Bach-Beethoven of film scores. No question.
    I don't always listen to film scores, but when I do, I prefer Nino Rota.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    I think John Williams would be pretty damn hard to beat when it comes to film scores. Williams is like the Bach-Beethoven of film scores. No question.
    I didn't know Bach and Beethoven did nothing but quote Stravinsky, Holst, Dvorak, Saint-Saens, etc... Interesting! Can you give some examples?

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    Re: John Williams, I recall an exchange from the Jurassic Park Rifftrax:

    "Weird Al" Yankovic: "I was going to do a John Williams parody, but then I realised he's been doing that himself for years."

    Mike Nelson: "You can go to johnwilliamsscoregenerator.com, you describe what's happening on screen and then it ingores that and gives you the same theme every time..."

    "Weird Al" Yankovic: "Ah..."

    Mike Nelson: "...and every third time it gets nominated for an Oscar."

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    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    I'd prefer this equation myself: Shostakovich ≠ John Williams
    Hey that's not an equation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piwikiwi View Post
    Forgetting about Prokofiev? John Williams sure didn't forget him
    Agreed. And let's not forget about Corigliano either. But again:

    PROKOFIEV > Williams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmmbug View Post
    Agreed. And let's not forget about Corigliano either. But again:
    Williams stole from Corigliano? Or are you saying Corigliano stole from other composers?

    (what's funny for me here is that I've been listening to quite a bit of Zimmermann and Crumb recently who rather than work in a subtle and personalised quote will suddenly launch into a few bars of pure Beethoven or Schubert like someone turned on a radio or mischevously glued the wrong pages into their score)
    Last edited by SimonNZ; Nov-15-2014 at 04:34.

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    John Corigliano, care to recommend any particular pieces? I have not heard of him.
    Last edited by ArtMusic; Nov-15-2014 at 22:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    John Corigliano, care to recommend any particular pieces? I have not heard of him.
    His percussion concerto "Conjurer" is one of the most interesting works I've stumbled on this year:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYy-mFPgy10

    His early remarkable soundtrack for AlteredStates provides something of a Rosetta Stone for his later devices and preocupations (I'd usually hesitate to include soundtrack music as classical, but this album is something quite different):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmfj6MxMfpM

    His first symphony won the Grawemeyer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KskXS9euKQY

    and his second symphony the Pulitzer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8SNACoXpI

    and clarinet concert has also grown on me and impressed me more with each listen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUE5dL4ipZk

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonNZ View Post
    His percussion concerto "Conjurer" is one of the most interesting works I've stumbled on this year:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYy-mFPgy10

    His early remarkable soundtrack for AlteredStates provides something of a Rosetta Stone for his later devices and preocupations (I'd usually hesitate to include soundtrack music as classical, but this album is something quite different):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmfj6MxMfpM

    His first symphony won the Grawemeyer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KskXS9euKQY

    and his second symphony the Pulitzer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8SNACoXpI

    and clarinet concert has also grown on me and impressed me more with each listen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUE5dL4ipZk
    He's also well known for the score The Red Violin, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonNZ View Post
    His percussion concerto "Conjurer" is one of the most interesting works I've stumbled on this year:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYy-mFPgy10
    A big second vote for Conjurer! Anther very interesting percussion piece s Artyomov's four movement Sonata of Meditations, if you can find it.


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    Was Dmitri Shostakovich The Last Of The Best Known Great Composers?


    Yes, in the same way that Rachmaninoff was one of the last great pianists, along with Vladimir Horowitz. This is because Russia was stuck in a "time warp" and was about 100 years behind the West, at least socially. This was a sad case of "social retardation" which caused composers like Shostakovich to be caught in a "time warp," where they actually thought that they were "in with the times" and were continuing a "modernist tradition" and were "groovy."

    Westerners were amused when they witnessed these composers in action, wearing their 50's suits and skinny ties, Brylcreemed hair and horn-rimmed glasses. Go, Shosty, go man go! You are such a groovy guy! Let's do the twist!
    Last edited by millionrainbows; Nov-16-2014 at 22:04.

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