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    That was gutsy.

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    A man of great integrity.

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    I have taken this report under advisement.
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    I have been writing a paper about federal funding for the arts all semester. The rough draft of the final paper is due Monday, and the final draft of the final paper is due in a couple of weeks. This... might be a fun secondary source.

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    Jordi Savall is a fine musician. I enjoy his work both recorded and live.

    Jordi Savall is a Catalan. He is sponsored by by the Generalitat de Catalunya and the Ajuntament de Barcelona . He accepted the Gold Medal awarded by the Generalitat de Catalunya in October 2014. He supported the recent Catalan referendum - http://www.cataloniavotes.eu/from-pa...-jordi-savall/ . The site quoted is a Catalan web site.

    I feel, therefore, that his views on the policies of the central Spanish government have no more validity than that of any other separatist whether Scot, Quebecois or whatever. If a Scots musician were to accept awards and sponsorship from the Scottish parliament and support Scottish independence, one would hardly expect them to respond favourably to awards from the British government.

    The only thing one can say about the Spanish government was that it was rather naive to allow Mr Savall the chance for a propaganda coup.
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    Well, maybe a second thing could be said: VAT was raised to 21%, thus decreasing public attendance to any cultural show.
    Did you know that some professionals sold carrots or porno magazines with a free ticket for the show joint, because those products have a lower VAT?
    And I asume that you can prove that Savall, who became known and works mostly in France, is "sponsored" by Catalunya, and in what sense, just like composer Josep Soler and photographer Colita who also refused that reward, or the best Spanish students ignoring the Ministry:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QgkghdJZGiU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggart View Post
    I feel, therefore, that his views on the policies of the central Spanish government have no more validity than that of any other separatist whether Scot, Quebecois or whatever. If a Scots musician were to accept awards and sponsorship from the Scottish parliament and support Scottish independence, one would hardly expect them to respond favourably to awards from the British government.
    You seem to be presupposing a one-way street here. Rather than him criticising the Spanish government simply because he's a separatist, perhaps the ongoing lack of support from the Spanish government for 40 years has been a contributing factor to his separatist views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSurfer View Post
    And I asume that you can prove that Savall, who became known and works mostly in France, is "sponsored" by Catalunya, and in what sense, just like composer Josep Soler and photographer Colita who also refused that reward, or the best Spanish students ignoring the Ministry:
    Savall's Centre for Ancient Music has a support page - http://www.fundaciocima.org/en/support/. When we went to see Savall in York, during the early music festival, the program reiterated that he was sponsored by Catalunya.
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    On his letter he also admits having been supported by Spain, but, allright, so he has sold his soul for money, and he would also refuse the Perrier prize just because he is sponsored by Ribes water...

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    I admire Jordi Savall tremendously - I have never listened to anything he's done and not loved it - and we so enjoyed his concert in York. I know that Taggart just wanted to set the record straight about his position, and was not suggesting any criticism of him.

    It is similar to the late Seamus Heaney, when he was included in an anthology of 'British' verse, having been born in the British province of Northern Ireland; he riposted,
    "Be advised my passport's green.
    No glass of ours was ever raised
    to toast the Queen."
    He nonetheless respected his childhood Unionist neighbours and his British colleagues. It was a matter of principle.


    Jordi Savall is similarly entitled to his own allegiances and it would have been inconsistent to accept the Spanish Government's Award.
    One thing is clear - he certainly is a man of integrity.
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    He is, but would have accepted that prize, as French, Israelian and others, if the current Spanish Government hsd not neglected culture, almost ignoring it and condemning to death... you know, here, if you like music or theater you are a snob and you must pay double for it.

    At the same time, an % of Spain is crying because La Pantoja must go to jail for having stolen milions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggart View Post
    Jordi Savall is a fine musician. I enjoy his work both recorded and live.

    Jordi Savall is a Catalan. He is sponsored by by the Generalitat de Catalunya and the Ajuntament de Barcelona . He accepted the Gold Medal awarded by the Generalitat de Catalunya in October 2014. He supported the recent Catalan referendum - http://www.cataloniavotes.eu/from-pa...-jordi-savall/ . The site quoted is a Catalan web site.

    I feel, therefore, that his views on the policies of the central Spanish government have no more validity than that of any other separatist whether Scot, Quebecois or whatever. If a Scots musician were to accept awards and sponsorship from the Scottish parliament and support Scottish independence, one would hardly expect them to respond favourably to awards from the British government.

    The only thing one can say about the Spanish government was that it was rather naive to allow Mr Savall the chance for a propaganda coup.
    Those are good points, Taggert, but what about all the recordings that he has made of Spanish Music, particularly those investigating the intermingling of influences of The Sephardic and Muslim worlds with those of the Castillian, Basque , Aragonian and Catalan influences? Has anyone shed more light on the cultural melting pot of the Iberian Peninsula? He may politically affiliate wth Catalonian Seperatists, but the body of his work transcends that narrow perspective, and I think the Spanish Government was right to acknowledge his contributions. Perhaps he shouldn't have spurned it after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    Those are good points, Taggert, but what about all the recordings that he has made of Spanish Music, particularly those investigating the intermingling of influences of The Sephardic and Muslim worlds with those of the Castillian, Basque , Aragonian and Catalan influences? Has anyone shed more light on the cultural melting pot of the Iberian Peninsula? He may politically affiliate wth Catalonian Seperatists, but the body of his work transcends that narrow perspective, and I think the Spanish Government was right to acknowledge his contributions. Perhaps he shouldn't have spurned it after all.
    Absolutely. Savall is sometimes described as a musicologist not just a player. Never mind the Iberian peninsula, he also goes into Provencal as well . His music is superb. What I objected to was the idea that is was right to congratulate him on refusing the award without fully understanding his motives, I wish he had treated it as an olive branch. It is interesting that somebody who is a Unesco goodwill ambassador and who could finish a concert with a prayer for peace in Syria can be so intransigent about his own nation state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggart View Post
    Absolutely. Savall is sometimes described as a musicologist not just a player. Never mind the Iberian peninsula, he also goes into Provencal as well . His music is superb. What I objected to was the idea that is was right to congratulate him on refusing the award without fully understanding his motives, I wish he had treated it as an olive branch. It is interesting that somebody who is a Unesco goodwill ambassador and who could finish a concert with a prayer for peace in Syria can be so intransigent about his own nation state.
    This is why I 'took the report under advisement'. It does not penetrate the veil around his motives. There is plenty of room for accepting his stated reasons for refusal - in a Greater Iberian spirit, if you will accept that possibly illusive allusion.
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