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    I first became interested in Schubert's lieder back in the 1970s, and I found that I really liked the baritones rather than the tenors for song cycles such as Die Winterreise or Die schöne Müllerin, so I wound up collecting Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and Hermann Prey. Any recommendations on contemporaries/recent recordings that I should try out? Thanks!

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    I like Wolfgang Holzmair. I don't have many of his recordings, but I think his Die Winterreise on Philips is excellent.



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    hey, hf/JACE. yeah, they won't let me put up my avatar until I learn the secret handshake. Thanks for the reco on Holzmair.

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    Peter Schreier's recording of Die Schöne Müllerin was recorded in the 90s, I think, and is the best one I've heard. My copy is lost,and last time I checked it was no longer available to buy, except at crazy prices on Amazon Marketplace. If you wanted to go earlier rather than later than Prey or Fischer Dieskau, Franz Naval's Müllerin is also good, and in not bad sound for its advanced age.

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    Ian Bostridge is pretty good in fact. Warner label.

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    Winterreise, Dietrich Henschel, Teldec 2000

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    I agree with Figleaf that that Schreier is on top of modern heap (not a baritone tho), but s I've said many a time and again, I would not want to be without Fritz Wunderlich or Aksel Schiøtz or Gérard Souzay... This said I notice that I often return to Mathias Görne and Christoph Prégardien!

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    Schreier's Wintereisse with Richter is the greatest performance on record imo. Utterly spellbinding. Sadly it was recorded in front of a bronchial audience 50% of whom appear to be in the last stages of pneumonia. But as a performance it cannot be bettered, not even by Schreier's later one with Schiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertfallickwang View Post
    Ian Bostridge is pretty good in fact. Warner label.
    I heard Ian Bostridge live in the chapel at Magdalen College, Oxford, in the mid 90s. The programme was all Schubert, though I think it was individual songs rather than one of the song cycles. (I heard so many lieder recitals of varying quality in those days I can't really remember.) I knew Bostridge was the brother in law of a guy in my year, but I had no idea he was a famous singer! After that concert, it seemed like you couldn't pick up a magazine or a broadsheet paper without reading the name of Ian Bostridge somewhere in its pages. (According to one of the organisers of the Magdalen gig, Ian was charming and considerate but the accompanist- I think it was Julius Drake- was a total prima donna, making them have the piano re-tuned even though it had just been tuned in readiness for the concert.)

    Not long after there was a televised Winterreise with Bostridge, which was pretty good- I don't know whether it has made it on to DVD or YouTube. Bostridge is fine if you don't mind him sounding like the Oxford choral scholar he was, but for vocal splendour as well as interpretative insight I would choose Gerard Souzay with Dalton Baldwin.

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    Has anyone heard Goerne's recent rendition of Winterreise with Eschenbach on piano?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
    I agree with Figleaf that that Schreier is on top of modern heap (not a baritone tho), but s I've said many a time and again, I would not want to be without Fritz Wunderlich or Aksel Schiøtz or Gérard Souzay... This said I notice that I often return to Mathias Görne and Christoph Prégardien!

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    Aksel Schiøtz is one of those singers I keep meaning to investigate. Like, literally for twenty years I've been having the periodic thought 'I must get round to listening to Aksel Schiøtz'- but then forgetting to do anything about it. I could just dive into YouTube, and probably will, but what would you suggest is the best recording to pique the interest of a Schiøtz newbie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figleaf View Post
    Peter Schreier's recording of Die Schöne Müllerin was recorded in the 90s, I think, and is the best one I've heard. My copy is lost,and last time I checked it was no longer available to buy, except at crazy prices on Amazon Marketplace. If you wanted to go earlier rather than later than Prey or Fischer Dieskau, Franz Naval's Müllerin is also good, and in not bad sound for its advanced age.
    Schreier was a fine artist, but folks should know that his reedy vocal timbre is not to everyone's taste. Nowhere close to Wunderlich or Schiotz for beauty of tone. I can't listen to him for any length of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Schreier was a fine artist, but folks should know that his reedy vocal timbre is not to everyone's taste. Nowhere close to Wunderlich or Schiotz for beauty of tone. I can't listen to him for any length of time.
    Strangely, I never noticed the sound of his voice. His interpretation was so compelling that it didn't seem to matter- and then of course, the music is wonderful, even if the voice isn't the most gorgeous. I suppose one could say the same of Peter Pears, whose lieder recordings I have also enjoyed. I have another Schreier album of rather dull songs by Beethoven, and I haven't been able to get into that at all. Perhaps a more beautiful voice could rescue those songs for me!

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    I like Jonas Kaufmann's Müllerin. Highly embarrassing album cover, though:

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    Ummm... Peter Schreier, Aksel Schiøtz, Ian Bostridge, and Jonas Kaufmann are all tenors, where the OP suggested a liking for baritone voices.

    Might I suggest among more contemporary singers, the bass-baritone, Thomas Quasthoff, and the baritone, Matthias Goerne.



    Honestly, I don't find Fischer-Dieskau to be in any way "out of date" any more than I might Maria Callas. Indeed, I would suggest you could do far worse than to explore the even older recording of Winterreise by the magnificent Hans Hotter:

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