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  • The Seasons - Alexander Glazunov(1900)

    6 12.00%
  • Daphnis et Chloé - Maurice Ravel(1912)

    32 64.00%
  • Jeux - Claude Debussy(1913)

    15 30.00%
  • La Boutique Fantasque, (The Magic Toyshop) - Ottorino Respighi / Gioachino Rossini (1919)

    1 2.00%
  • Relâche- Erik Satie(1924)

    4 8.00%
  • El Amor Brujo - Manuel de Falla (1925)

    11 22.00%
  • The Miraculous Mandarin - Béla Bartók (1926)

    15 30.00%
  • Boléro - Maurice Ravel (1928)

    6 12.00%
  • Rodeo - Aaron Copland (1942)

    7 14.00%
  • Appalachian Spring - Aaron Copland(1944)

    15 30.00%
  • Corroboree - John Antill (1946)

    2 4.00%
  • Spartacus(Spartak)- Aram Khachaturian (1956)

    11 22.00%
  • Tango Ballet - Astor Pantaleón Piazzolla (1956)

    0 0%
  • Square Dance - Antonio Vivaldi (1957)

    1 2.00%
  • A Midsummer Night’s Dream- Felix Mendelssohn (1962)

    2 4.00%
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Thread: Top Three 20th Century Ballets, sans Stravinsky and Prokofiev

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    Default Top Three 20th Century Ballets, sans Stravinsky and Prokofiev

    What are your top three 20th century ballets? Besides the Stravinsky and Prokofiev’s ballets, since they would probably win hands down. I listed them in order of their premier dates and the composer. Since there were only 15 options, I know I left out a few including Jewels & Kraanerg , among others, sorry.
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    The question is "Your" top three, so it allows for personal perference.

    Personally, I like Bartok's Mandarin for its music and that it portrays the modern city not as the pinnacle of civilization but as a degenerated jungle.

    Erik Satie's Relache is notable because it included the first frame-by-frame movie music. There had been music played with movies before, but this is specific to what's on the screen. It all started there.

    Debussy's Jeux may not be the best ballet as far as staging, but it is some of his finest music.
    Last edited by Manxfeeder; Jan-18-2015 at 21:55.

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    If I could've voted for Rite of Spring, I would've. It's THE ballet of the 20th century: it changed all the "rules" for composers coming after. Instead, I voted for Rodeo. (Don't ask me why; if I had it to do over again, I'd choose Jeux.)

    Daphnis et Chloe & Appalachian Spring were my other two choices.

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    But your list is 'confused,' i.e. are we discussing the scores only as from the 20th century? because you've listed also:
    Square Dance - Antonio Vivaldi (1957) & A Midsummer Night’s Dream- Felix Mendelssohn (1962)
    Both then as ballets choreographed in the 20th century but using non-20th century music?!? Wassup?

    From your list I would have voted the first three (in no particular order):

    Daphnis et Chloé - Maurice Ravel
    Jeux - Claude Debussy(1913)
    The Miraculous Mandarin - Béla Bartók (1926)

    ... and I would have happily voted for Satie if you had instead listed Parade, and also added Copland's masterpiece, Appalachian Spring, original chamber version for 13 instruments. (Any of the above, I consider only the full-length pieces, and think the suites near to not worthwhile.)
    Last edited by PetrB; Jan-18-2015 at 23:25.

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    Debussy's Khamma and La boite à joujoux (partially orchestrated by Koechlin and Caplet) deserve a mention.

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    Bartok - The Wooden Prince
    Schmitt - La Tragédie de Salomé
    Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe

    I love Jeux, but stagings of it are so often... awkward, somehow.

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    To satisfy the Stravinsky and Prokofiev aficionados , myself included, in addition to voting you may list their eight great works in the order of your personal preference. Here’s mine:

    1.Romeo and Juliet- Sergei Prokofiev (1940)
    2.Le Sacre du Printemps (The Rite of Spring) - Igor Stravinsky (1913)
    3.Cinderella - Sergei Prokofiev (1945 )
    4.The Firebird - Igor Stravinsky (1911)
    5.Petrushka - Igor Stravinsky (1911)
    6.The Stone Flower- Sergei Prokofiev (1954)
    7.Apollo - Igor Stravinsky (1928)
    8.Agon - Igor Stravinsky(1957)

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    Les Noces
    Le Sacre
    Petrushka
    Romeo and Juliet
    Histoire du soldat

    I'm not as big a fan of the others by either.

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    Jeux and Coroboree from the list, and it is a shame Vivaldi and Mendelssohn scores got on the list without Kraanerg which would have been my other choice.

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    Bartok-Miraculous Mandarin
    Debussy-Jeux
    Hindemith-Nobilissima visione
    Szymanowski-Harnasie
    Copland-Appalacian Spring
    Schnittke-Peer Gynt
    Zappa-Sinister Footwear

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    Prokofiev's Chout is quite fun.

    Stravinsky ~ Apollo / Orpheus.

    I think it at least a misdemeanor that Milhaud's La création du monde is not anywhere a choice :-)

    P.s. what is with the continued muddling, i.e. "Jewels" is a Balanchine ballet in three parts using music of three different composers, one composer for each segment:
    1.) Fauré
    2.) Stravinsky
    3.) Tschaikovsky
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    My incredibly limited and uninformed listening experience aside (not having heard everything on the list), I voted for Debussy Jeux, Ravel and Bartok. Because I like 'em.
    "No composer has been more innovative than Beethoven, he radically changed the nature and character of the music composed in the two centuries that followed his earliest works" - Charles Rosen ("The Classical Style")

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    I voted for Ravel, Satie and de Falla. If I had to nom one not on the list AND exclude both Stravinsky and Prokofiev I'd probably choose Constant Lambert's Prize-fight or possibly Hindemith's The Four Temperaments (nigh-on a piano concerto which was used by Balanchine for the stage some years later).
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

    ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν ἀποθνῄσκει νέος [Those whom the gods love die young] - Menander

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    The ballets in the 20th century list are those that premiered in the 20th century, regardless of when the music was composed. I was not trying to start another romantic vs. modern music fight on TC(we’ve had enough of those). I listed the composer instead of the choreographer because the choreography for virtually every ballet (that has stood the test of time) has changed from one generation to the next, whereas the music has stayed the same, for the most part. I didn’t want to get into arguments about who’s better Balanchine or Petipa, which is a whole other black hole.

    And ok Square Dance is only 25 minutes, but the Rite of Spring is only 35. I don’t think anyone would protest if that were on the list.

    Very interesting results so far. I fully expected Daphnis et Chloé to be at the top of the list, but some of the others there are surprising. Thanks for playing.
    Last edited by Pyotr; Jan-19-2015 at 23:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagotterdammerung View Post
    Les Noces
    Le Sacre
    Petrushka
    Romeo and Juliet
    Histoire du soldat

    I'm not as big a fan of the others by either.
    Histoire du soldat = seriously, not a ballet any more then Renard is a ballet, i.e. it ain't :-)

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