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    Is it a good idea? I think yes. Music theory is a branch of music, especially classical music, where there has always been interesting topics of debate and discussion (such as "was Schenker right?" or "how important is theory to understanding composition anyway?"). It would also be a great place to go for recommendations on books for beginners, help for people who are studying music theory or even just someone who is curious to know a little more about modulation or how a fugue really works. We have instrument specific forums and a composition forum where people often ask questions about the study of these areas in music, but nothing for theory when it is easily an equivalent.

    Recently I've seen posts which attack theoretical analyses to understand music, but I've also seen many many posts and threads in the topic of music theory mixed in and jumbled up in forums where people talk about classical music in general....and unfortunately confusion arises with people who are either not understanding that it's a way of understanding music or unwilling to understand music from that angle.

    We have had the creation of a ballet forum to help categorised ballet-specific discussions from the general and orchestral forums, which is great, but nothing has ever been done to help the confusion about music theory or give the area equal status with the study of musical instruments and composition with those forums that we already have.

    If it's a bad idea, please tell me why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    Is it a good idea? I think yes. Music theory is a branch of music, especially classical music, where there has always been interesting topics of debate and discussion (such as "was Schenker right?" or "how important is theory to understanding composition anyway?"). It would also be a great place to go for recommendations on books for beginners, help for people who are studying music theory or even just someone who is curious to know a little more about modulation or how a fugue really works. We have instrument specific forums and a composition forum where people often ask questions about the study of these areas in music, but nothing for theory when it is easily an equivalent.

    Recently I've seen posts which attack theoretical analyses to understand music, but I've also seen many many posts and threads in the topic of music theory mixed in and jumbled up in forums where people talk about classical music in general....and unfortunately confusion arises with people who are either not understanding that it's a way of understanding music or unwilling to understand music from that angle.

    We have had the creation of a ballet forum to help categorised ballet-specific discussions from the general and orchestral forums, which is great, but nothing has ever been done to help the confusion about music theory or give the area equal status with the study of musical instruments and composition with those forums that we already have.

    If it's a bad idea, please tell me why.
    I like the idea - at the moment there doesn't really seem to be anywhere to discuss theory specifically.
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    In 2013 the votes for a Music Theory Forum were 28 votes to 5 who voted against. A Forum on Music Theory

    The fact that this has been brought up in the past is, I'd say, clearly indicative that this is something that the people want (even getting a majority vote in a previous poll) but it's going unresolved or ignored. This is a new thread to see if, with new regular members, the notion has changed at all.

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    This is a totally personal view.

    I've just been looking over some of the old threads. On one of these we had:

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    We must look at all aspects before adding any new categories, such as:
    - forum appearance ... if there are too many categories, it can become confusing and cluttered,
    - popularity ... some fora have been created in the past years and activity about ceased after a short while,

    Several threads have been created over the years on Music Theory ... Replies have been scant with about 32 replies over 4 threads over a 6 year period which translates to about 5 posts per year average.

    There do exist several threads in other areas on Music Theory, in different forum areas:

    Music Theory in the Classical Music Forum, (last post 9/12)
    Music Theory in the Community Forum (dormant since 2009)
    Music Theory in the Orchestral Forum (dormant since 2007)

    Those low numbers in posting on the subject (searching on thread titles only) are also taken into consideration.

    In defense of the idea, it may be that if those threads were 'centralized' in one area, they might get more activity.
    I would tend to think that a dedicated thread could attract interest.

    As to forum layout, I notice that the Articles section has had only two new threads since 2013 and very little activity - a suitable case for replacement?

    The other possibility is a group but they tend to start well and sometimes fade away.

    We already have a sticky thread on Music books - maybe we could expand that to theory?
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    I like the idea also. If you have a sticky on Music Books, why not expand that, as Taggart suggests? I personally would like to be pointed toward books on modern harmony. I've written in other posts how I was expected to write in a 20th century idiom, without ANY prior training in that area. I found it hypocritical, to say the least.

    I would learn a lot; and possibly start composing again.

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    Ideas for threads:

    How important is music theory?
    Was Schenker right? (I think this would be interesting...)
    Thread about the treatment of harmony since the 20th century

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    Yes absolutely. The place for discussions on that topic which would otherwise be relatively out of place in other threads, where so many do not share that interest.

    It is a classical music site: it is rather astonishing there is not a theory category in place.

    Personally, while I studied it and use it, I'm rather loathe to discuss it.

    But I also strongly think having this specific category is critical to a classical music site if it is to call itself a classical music site, and that there are those enough of the membership who would quite happily discuss things music theoretical there.

    I think it could also readily accommodate those who aren't versed in theory but would like to learn more, as well appeal to those who are merely curious and / or re: music theory -- wanting to 'get their feet wet.'

    "Build it and they will come."

    ADD: would it be a small minority interest? Sure. Would it be the place for early level students and those who are teaching themselves to ask questions? I don't see why not -- a little bit of service vs. self-serving a minority interest I think also a good thing.

    Would it be yet another thread for moderators to busy themselves with, adding more to their work load? Yes, but no -- if traffic is low, and the reporting offensive posts already in place, I see no real additional work for those already spread thin.

    Consolidating older threads on or about theory is not a bad idea. If done, perhaps the header should point the way to the last older post so newer users don't have to look through x pages to get to the current stuff.

    I know there is one tenet that this site is for all, quite generally, including the majority who are not into the nitty gritty of music theory, form, etc.

    To overlook theory because it will (inevitably) be of interest to a small minority of the membership is, I think, being much too concerned with the general accessibility of the site to the general music lover.

    Having a specific Music Theory category should not put off any member, nor those hovering and looking at the site who are thinking of joining.
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    Yes.

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    Here are some threads, just examples, which can be moved to the new forum if it is made any time soon

    Existing music theory threads to be moved to a new forum

    Classical pieces labelled with the wrong keys
    Music theory
    Is Mozart's musical adventerousness underplayed?
    Different Ideas of Tonality (and quite a lot of millionrainbow's other threads)
    The octatonic scale in Le Sacre du Printemps
    Four-part writing - Need your opinion
    What ties the movements of a sonata or symphony together?
    Counterpoint vs Harmony Theory
    Beethoven's sonatas analysis
    Could someone explain the music theory behind this song?

    I suppose that would give a general overview of what one would expect from a music theory subforum. Unfortunately these threads are all over the place and difficult to locate, but having them all in one spot would certainly be an improvement. There really are heaps....

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    ... new interest in this idea since June 2013 ... we thank your for your valuable input.

    I have asked our staff to re-evaluate this matter.
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    I tried to interest others in music theory back in September of 2014, but nobody took the bait, when I launched: Recommended 'Reading' To Be A Better Listener.
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    I don't know what the demand for a music theory forum would be, but it seems that the topic fits poorly elsewhere. And music is a pretty technical subject when it comes to creating it, and sometimes to fully appreciating it.


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    My theory is all stale and elementary, but I would love lurking on a reasonably active theory subforum.

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    I'd love for this to exist. Score analysis class was always my favorite.

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    If we proceed with the creation of a Music Theory forum area, it must be understood that contributions to that forum can be made by the less learned, those who are not technically up to speed with all the theory rules.

    We all began as novice's at some point in each of our lives - we were not born with all this extensive knowledge of theory.

    We have a good number of very experienced members ... we have an equal number of novice members who deserve the same consideration when they are posting a question or asking for advice.

    In my thinking, there is no such thing as stupid question ... I have lots of questions thrown at me on a daily basis - each one gets a considerate and kind answer, which I will make as detailed as needed.
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