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    Default zen buddhism and cage

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    What about them?
    I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that

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    Well apparently Cage was interested in zen, so I was just interested in people's thoughts on this...

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    From the Heart Sutra

    .... form is no other than emptiness,
    emptiness no other than form;
    form is exactly emptiness, emptiness exactly form;
    sensation, perception, mental reaction, consciousness are also like this.
    . . . in emptiness there is no form, no sensation, perception, mental reaction, consciousness;
    no eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind,
    no colour, sound, smell, taste, touch, object of thought;
    no seeing and so on to no thinking . . .

    And from my favourite Zen text, Hakuin's Song

    “All living beings are originally buddhas, just like water and ice:
    Without water there is no ice, and outside living beings thre is no Buddha.
    Not knowing how near it is, people see it ouside themselves–what a pity!
    Like someone in the middle of water crying out in thirst,
    or the child of a rich man, wandering around likea a beggar,
    we are bound to the six worlds because we are lost in the darkness
    of ignorance.

    Following dark path after dark path, when shall we escape birth and death?”
    Last edited by Mandryka; Feb-07-2015 at 21:50.

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    What exactly is Zen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonlightSonata View Post
    What exactly is Zen?
    No one can tell you exactly what "zen" is - it can only be experienced.

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    Zen means meditation, it is a form of the religion which emphasises this aspect.

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    duplicate post,...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogen View Post
    Zen means meditation, it is a form of the religion which emphasises this aspect.
    Zen can be realized through meditation (and meditation is I believe the most effective and dependable way of realizing zen - so I like that you have suggested it being related to zen, that is very good advice). But technically meditation is not zen. It is very possible to meditate and not experience zen. Likewise it is possible to experience zen while not meditating.

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    Sorry, I was not explicit enough. "Zen" is the Japanese from "ch'an" in Chinese, which is derived from "dhyana" in Sanskrit. Dhyana means meditation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogen View Post
    Sorry, I was not explicit enough. "Zen" is the Japanese from "ch'an" in Chinese, which is derived from "dhyana" in Sanskrit. Dhyana means meditation.
    Ah. Thanks. My Japanese dictionaries all simply give the meaning "Zen Buddhism" for the character 禅.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahlerian View Post
    Ah. Thanks. My Japanese dictionaries all simply give the meaning "Zen Buddhism" for the character 禅.
    As far as I know Zen doesn't place greater emphisis on meditation practice than other forms of Mahayana Bhuddism. Do we know what sort of Zen Cage was interested in?

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    If Zen is not meditation, then what is it? It sounds like some sort of trance...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonlightSonata View Post
    If Zen is not meditation, then what is it? It sounds like some sort of trance...
    A good intro at your fingertips: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen


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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonlightSonata View Post
    If Zen is not meditation, then what is it? It sounds like some sort of trance...
    Being a Buddhist it is a singular focus on the flow of the chi... between human spirit and nature.

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